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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back I am so pleased to be here

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tonight every once in a while I get to

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do something that I I can't tell you how

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much I truly enjoy and tonight will be

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one of those times because tonight I

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have uh he has been a guest here before

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Bob kiviat uh best known perhaps for his

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most famous I would call it his most

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famous work alien autopsy watched by

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millions still debated to this day uh

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but you may know him from other things

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uh maybe lesser known things

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uh but alien autopsy has got to be

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ranked up there with one of his best

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works as a producer he's done aliens on

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the moon the Truth Exposed I shot JFK

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the truck the the shocking truth you may

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also remember him for world's greatest

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hoaxes secrets finally revealed there

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was of course alien autopsy uh UFO's

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best evidence ever caught on tape there

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was two of those and uh he was also

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heavily involved in what is perhaps my

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favorite uh show growing up because I

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have fond memories of watching it with

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my father and that would be Unsolved

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Mysteries he is uh sort of relaunching

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and uh coming up with all these

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incredible new projects and I wanted to

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get him in here just to talk about that

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uh and some of the changes in the

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industry since he uh made some of the

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the most little most incredible works on

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the Paranormal let's bring him in here

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Steve thank you for that I do appreciate

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that a lot you were big I was telling I

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was just telling them off air that he

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was a big part of my childhood uh

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growing up I didn't even know his you

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know as a child I didn't know it at the

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time but all of my favorite things on

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television the weird and wacky stuff was

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all brought To Us by tonight's guest

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well I gotta tell you

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um that really warms my heart because I

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remember sitting in production meetings

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and even meetings with the Fox network

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when they brought me over from Unsolved

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Mysteries and my point was lit was that

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we have young people watching the The

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X-Files was very used in the average age

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of an X-File viewer probably was like I

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mean a guess like in the teens and early

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20s I'm sure very young skewed and they

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love that show because young viewers

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were watching so I said to them my

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specials are going to be very similar to

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that why don't we think about them and

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do the right thing for them and tell the

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right story so that's how we really

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approached it respond responsibility

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believe it or not yeah and you and I had

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a recent conversation about how there

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was a shift in let's call it the

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industry I hate to call this an industry

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but the weird and wacky stuff aliens

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Bigfoot the Paranormal ghosts it is it

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is an industry there's no doubt there's

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there's been some incredible changes in

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that industry three since you first were

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hugely and insanely popular can we talk

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about some of those changes sure we can

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start just with alien autopsy and bring

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it right up real quickly to the present

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day when alien autopsy was made and by

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the way remember the show Steve was

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called alien autopsy Fact or Fiction

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with an actual question mark at the end

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of it the idea was we did not know what

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it was it was a story foisted on us by

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the people that secured this footage of

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the alien being and other footage that

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surrounded it we were not really saying

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to anyone other than there's this

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breaking story we're going to try to

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cover it best we can and as I had my

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host out of the Frank Shay from Star

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Trek you know until we know more you'll

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have to decide for yourself now it

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sounds like a cliche but in our case it

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was literally true but at that stage you

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the Fox network was a fourth Network up

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and coming they were the ones trying to

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beat CBS NBC and ABC back in the day and

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they were treating things so carefully

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they didn't have any they could not take

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a risk you imagine if you had they had a

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couple of things happen before I got

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there and there was a risk factor there

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was an idea that maybe this could be

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like something that happened a year or

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two before and that involved something

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called the Noah's R coax the Noah's

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arkokes was something that ran on I

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remember this one yeah you know at

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meetings you would literally hear the

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executive behind the show Mike Darnell

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going no no no Bob's Bob's a journalist

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you know Bob will take care of this you

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know what it's not going to get blown up

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you know and ironically Mike went on a

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recent thing at the TV Academy where

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they were honoring Mike and Mike was

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telling the story about me and him and

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he was animated like I am too and Mike

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was telling the story about you know

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remember then the Noah's Ark hoax we

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were thinking about that and so he

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remembered did so well that when he

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recounted the story of us getting

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together and doing the Big Show it was

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in the in the wake of this really

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nightmare where CBS had they put a lot

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of money and time into that and then it

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turns out to be garbage essentially I'm

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I'm not gonna blame only the network in

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this case the producers let the network

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down now did the no did the network let

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viewers down yes they didn't do the

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checking they could have done but the

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producers always are at one level or

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another they're responsible so if you

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bring in if you're a CBS or a fox and

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you bring a producer in to make a show

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those credentials of that producer are

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critical to whether or not the network

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will be protected or not whether or not

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there'll be any kind of you know Fallout

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if the show turns out to be whatever bad

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in some ways there is just a different

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set of ethical standards for how to

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properly do a story then is it is that

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what I'm getting because I remember that

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it used to be that things were much more

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balanced in other words even if people

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were making Fantastical claims they

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would often bring in the other side of

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the story well you have a skeptic there

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to say hey this is probably you know to

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to show they used to show both sides of

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the coin when you started right now it

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seems like we only get one and it's

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carefully manipulated and manicured for

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us to push this certain narrative they

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don't give you all the information I

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love the LIE bio Mission well hold on

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here there's actually not only a

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understanding of balance and credibility

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and and invest journalism let's say but

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there was also something called

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Darlene Darlene was so good I mean

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Darlene would get a rough cut and

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comment and say Bob you may want to

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think about this one photo or they were

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analyzing Steve down to whether a photo

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or something would be offensive to

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somebody could you imagine if you made a

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mistake and you called something a real

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Noah's Ark uh uh authentic piece of the

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wood let's say and it doesn't turn out

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to be true so that was always in my mind

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but I never quite understood how some

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something like that could ever happen

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but we're not going to digress into that

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all I want to say is that there was a

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standard a standard that I I came into

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as a journalist previously I wrote for

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newspapers I wrote for magazines I

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worked at Unsolved Mysteries for a while

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doing great shows for them and again

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you're dealing with credibility you have

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to deal with the FBI if you're there at

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Unsolved Mysteries you have to deal with

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the police said Unsolved Mysteries you

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have to deal with NASA and those type of

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people which thankfully they respected

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me because I had those credentials

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already so if you have those credentials

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and you come in and do a show let's say

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even aliens on the moon the Truth

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executives there go Bob look you're

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going to be interviewing Buzz Aldrin he

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worked on the moon he walked on the Moon

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I mean you're asking questions about why

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maybe in these photographs which I guess

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it's amazing I mean you better make sure

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you're on your game you better make sure

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that you know what you're talking about

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ironically in that situation I couldn't

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even get Buzz Aldrin a few years ago to

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look at the images from the NASA Luna

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planetary Institute basically so do you

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want to look at them they came from like

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NASA's of anyone look at them wouldn't

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even look at him but he did say as you

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remember we I think we talked before he

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did say basically Bob you should be

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looking at the moon near Mars call

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Phobos Phobos yeah monolith on Phobos so

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he's trying to get us off our moon and

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look at that Moon but I found it

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intriguing because we are talking again

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about evidence of extraterrestrial life

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and intelligence so it's the same thing

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whether you're talking about a structure

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on the moon here or a structure on

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Phobos near Mars if it's artificial and

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it's created by other people than us

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those are extraterrestrial proofs right

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so that to me is what I'm about I'm

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about trying to get to the proof and the

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truth and you can't do that if you're

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not a journalist you can't do that as

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just an entertainment guy trying to like

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put like you said something out there

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that the public may find Sensational but

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if it's not true

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where does that lead us right that that

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just makes you a garbage Peddler yeah by

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the way the change that you're referring

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to was over many many many years first

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they separated just before I got

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involved in television they separated

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this balance you're talking about it

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used to be that there's something called

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you know basically fair and balanced you

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know reporting if you if you said one

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thing you've got to balance it out with

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what may be another way to look at it

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there was always balance even the news

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Departments of those major networks did

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not have to have any worries about money

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those news divisions were not generating

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any kind of real income they weren't

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meant to be but all of a sudden just

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before I got involved in television they

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decided in our country we're talking

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about our government that we don't have

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to worry anymore about being fair and

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balanced with the news or anything else

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we can just let the entertainment

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companies take over and the

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entertainment parts of these uh

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divisions if you will of every Network

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took over for greed just for money

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purposes and so that money became the

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Golden Rule not truth not journalism or

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anything like that and even when the

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Noah's arkokes happen you know one of

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the people at CBS CBS News went public

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and said you know we're in network we

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have a news division we have an

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entertainment division between seven and

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eight o'clock at night the viewer

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doesn't really know what changed so if

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you do a documentary about Noah's Ark at

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eight o'clock and you had a NewsHour at

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6 30 to 7 you better be as careful

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the viewer doesn't go sit home and go oh

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you know honey at eight o'clock at night

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to the wife we don't have to worry about

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anything on this hour because you know

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it's all baloney at eight o'clock they

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don't say that they go hmm this is a

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network I'm watching the news at seven I

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really care about what's going on in the

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world and then I'm watching this amazing

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story that may be true and tied into our

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Biblical teachings and everything else

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but it turns out not to be true no it's

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not about blame as much it's about what

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can we learn from that

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what we can learn is what we're seeing

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now when cable television took over the

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Paranormal and they did

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a show called ghost hunters in 2004

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literally changed the landscape

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it's not even a documentary it's a faux

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documentary

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a-f-a-u-x meaning it's like a

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documentary but it's fake it's not Ghost

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Hunters is not a real documentary nor

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were nor were many other shows that came

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out and you're right that was kind of

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the first of its kind to just throw

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everything out the window and like well

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it's all fake but we're going to pretend

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it's it's real and that is this is and

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they make it sort of appear to be like a

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documentary you got it it had some sort

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of a re see the reality TV World somehow

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morphed together with this kind of

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pseudo documentary stuff and it became

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licensed to lie licensed to just say hey

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Tom Delong you got a show bring it in

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whatever you got we'll put it on don't

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I've ever seen yeah

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to themselves and they can call me up

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and discuss it I've been telling them

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for three years now about Lu Elizondo

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about ttsa it's a stock scheme it's it's

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almost a portable to me just to see

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things like this because I know people

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care about UFOs they care about whether

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we're being visited we have a 70-year

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history Steve a fascinating UFO related

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cases in one of my new shows one of my

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new films not TV shows but films movies

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documentary features we're going to show

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for the first time a guy who knows where

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all the bones are buried on the UFO

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subject may not be what people want to

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hear but there's a few cases that

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literally have shocked him he's from the

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government and I'm telling you not

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necessarily in a way that makes him

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believe that UFOs from another planet

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but enough to say you know what

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I'll throw my credentials in here I'll

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get the FAA involved I'll look into what

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the evidence is and there's a

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fascinating story we're going to tell

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about the Jal 1628 literally a jumbo jet

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was followed by a gigantic something and

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literally when they saw this on radar

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they really couldn't explain it so the

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FAA came in and said we still don't know

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to this day it may be one of the great

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cases never really seen properly by the

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American public and we're going to show

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that as well as some intriguing cases

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that we can talk about today so I'm

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telling you right now this ttsa Lou

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Elizondo travesty okay and he's not the

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only one but he's the one who went on

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you know major news organizations of

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Airwaves and said you know they're

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probably not from here these are beings

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we don't know from where or ships we

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don't know from where with without the

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slightest bit of backup I mean the guy

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was just kind of winging it

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now he's like come and gone he's pretty

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much out of the out of the Limelight and

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everyone's wondering what's going on

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where in the world is Lou Elizondo well

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we'll get into that because I think

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there's well you know what's funny is

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like that meteoric rise sometimes it's

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meteoric rides and then it's a meteoric

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fall and he may he may be off into the

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land of uh you know

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I I don't know some some other people

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who just vanished once they were hugely

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popular but yeah Steve you gotta gotta

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remember something really important

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credible journalism is not based on

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whether or not you have a job at CBS or

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ABC or NBC or Fox News or whatever it's

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based on the credentials of the

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individuals the people doing the work

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and if you're a journalist at NBC news

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today or CNN or Fox News the people that

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promoted Lou Alexander in this whole

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nonsense the TTS yeah New York Times

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yeah they're they're relying on these

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producers behind the camera to know this

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material if they don't know this

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material they are lost they are

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completely lost and that's what happened

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they did not know the material it

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started with the New York Times Leslie

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Keane comes in as their expert huh

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bottom line if you are who believes in

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past lives and alien and abduction she's

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just a True Believer those are your

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words I just said not objective okay not

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oh that's a better way to say it you're

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right

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I'm trying to learn from the veteran

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here's that I will use that not

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objective is a nicer way to say it's

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such a nice it's such a nice way to say

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that woman's a wackadoo

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if you know the person or the people

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involved like I said you can research

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their background and if they if they had

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a propensity in some cases to believe in

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alien abductions to a level that you

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literally bond with one of the leaders

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of that cult worship scenario which by

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the way it is an alien abductions is the

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least credible part of the UFO phenomena

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only because we don't have real evidence

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to support it you can't call it um

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evidence if somebody goes into hypnosis

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aggression and literally starts to

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remember things as the quotes you know I

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know there's a woman Barbara lamb whose

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full-time job it is to interview people

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and and bring out their alien

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experiences interesting Steve if you're

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a journalist and you recognize that

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alien abductions are believed by lots of

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millions of people but there's not a lot

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of evidence to support it you need to

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say that you need to go listen you know

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what yeah you know you may believe it

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you believe John Mack did wonderful work

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or these other people with their

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hypnosis regression as their tool but if

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you know the court systems and the

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history we've had as a country there are

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people that have been brought up on

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charges of all kinds of abuse sexual

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abuse child abuse and those cases have

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been thrown out because the only

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evidence people had were these kids

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being talked to by therapists and the

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kids are saying so and so it doesn't

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mean they didn't go through a horrific

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experience whatever it may be but the

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evidence was not there to support it so

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people should not have their entire

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with all due respect if they if people

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got away with it

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terrible acts because the court found or

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the juries found that hypnosis

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aggression was not credible okay but the

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point is hypnosis aggression does not

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prove aliens are taking uh men's sperm

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taking women's ovums trying to you know

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you know blend children together with

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other types of um you know all types of

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uh you know different uh scenarios it

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gets really kind of weird yeah the whole

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hybridization thing I've never bought

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that you know I think I I want to see

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some form of evidence and I have been

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frustrated with you know a few people

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wanted to be interviewed and and I you

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know I kind of say to them things like

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well set up a camera oh they'll know I

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do that and then they won't come you

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know like it's just there's not enough

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meat on the bones there for me but Steve

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we had a little I believe some of these

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people are having genuine experiences

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they truly believe but hold on we had a

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little production problem let me step

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out for one okay sure

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I can see you guys here I'll mute your

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microphone there while we uh do this and

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uh I know many of you are here perhaps

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looking for the

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um the Bombshells in uh Corey good

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Bombshells and we are busily working on

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that story as much

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you should bring it up I think Corey

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good is a good way to get into the next

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part I want to tell you about that if

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you have yeah I was just telling the

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audience I know many people make be

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frustrated they jumped on here and they

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go where's the Corey good story stuff

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and you guys need to be aware that we

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hear and me and Corey have been uh 24 7

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on that like I I think we stopped at six

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a.m well hold on you know I mean we have

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so we we're getting all that stuff

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together we have released part one of

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this deposition of Corey good which by

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the way he didn't think would ever

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become public so he makes some stunning

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admissions in that and uh we have to

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redact certain things for legal reasons

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but we are uh we're gonna be

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broadcasting all six hours of that

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deposition and and there are some

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Bombshells in there admissions from

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Corey good including he's never been to

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space the anshar are figments of his

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imagination and so largely his entire

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story falls apart

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due to bad paperwork the lawyer was

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supposed to file some certain paperwork

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within a certain time frame to get the

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uh depositions marked confidential and

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not to be publicly released

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his lawyer screwed up and didn't do that

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and now it's all public and until I'm

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ordered by you know a judge or whatever

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they're gonna we're gonna broadcast all

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of them once properly redacted Steve

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many people Bob I'm interested in what

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you think because there was another

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shift here in the whole industry if you

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want to call it an industry from people

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used to need evidence Along Comes David

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Wilcock and Corey Goode and that's all

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gone you don't need any evidence let me

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try to frame this back to what we're

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talking about so at the same time not to

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not to make this a college course but it

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kind of is

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as we saw the uh lessening of

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objectivity and objective journalism and

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being balanced on the net on the network

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Airwaves we also saw cable TV kind of

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glom onto this and not care too much

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about fact or fiction as long as it sold

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as long as the public were watching

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enough to justify from Ghost Hunters on

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they would do it the batteries yeah bad

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news is regular networks like the ABC

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NBC CBS and foxes they've told me

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recently and years ago as cable glommed

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onto it they backed away they seeded it

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to them they said goodbye then came over

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the last couple of years

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this influx of I guess you call Direct

541
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,100
to streaming now direct to streaming has

542
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:40,559
a lot of great benefits one of the

543
00:23:44,830 --> 00:23:42,299
downsides of director streaming is

544
00:23:49,940 --> 00:23:44,840
people bring distributors

545
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:56,810
[Music]

546
00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,970
no problem for sure that's right one of

547
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:00,600
the companies that has been really big

548
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:03,179
in this recognize the quality control

549
00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:05,460
problem in my humble opinion and that's

550
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:07,740
one reason we closed a deal to make

551
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,039
numerous documentary feature films in

552
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:13,679
the next two three years with this same

553
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:16,200
company that has been really building

554
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:19,620
the streaming world for producers now

555
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:22,200
the objective view here is that why

556
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,520
don't we bring in people that have

557
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:25,860
credentials that understand how to

558
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:29,220
create credible programming do good

559
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,120
research protect the network protect the

560
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:35,340
investors because in the new model Steve

561
00:24:41,710 --> 00:24:38,039
you don't have the money coming from ABC

562
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,720
NBC in my case Fox and NBC

563
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,520
yeah you have to go get your budget you

564
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,679
have right you establish a budget and

565
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:48,480
then you go out to the world and you say

566
00:24:53,630 --> 00:24:50,580
please help us develop this and make

567
00:24:56,110 --> 00:24:53,640
this so individual corporate and or

568
00:24:58,270 --> 00:24:56,120
investors let's say they're the same

569
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,280
investors should be protected

570
00:25:03,049 --> 00:25:00,960
Distributors should be protected from

571
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:03,059
bunk from things that are not well

572
00:25:09,049 --> 00:25:05,280
researched from things that are clearly

573
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:09,059
just a final fantasy for somebody and so

574
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,220
on that note I do believe that's one of

575
00:25:15,049 --> 00:25:12,960
the reasons at least that I've made a

576
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,059
deal or they made a deal with me this

577
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:17,340
one company that will be very I think

578
00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:20,400
prolific in helping to kind of moderate

579
00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:21,900
some of what we're talking about you got

580
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,860
to break the ship at some point

581
00:25:30,669 --> 00:25:27,539
the ship yeah that doesn't mean that

582
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:30,679
someone who sold a lot of let's say

583
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:34,919
documentary orders if you will uh clicks

584
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,299
so you know how it goes now with Amazon

585
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,480
or whatever oh I know

586
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,279
it doesn't mean that you're you're silly

587
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:43,500
for buying it but you should have known

588
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:45,179
what you were buying just because

589
00:25:49,330 --> 00:25:47,220
someone writes this is the follow-up

590
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,340
investigation from The New York Times

591
00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,260
what first of all the New York Times

592
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,419
that was a foolicious story to begin

593
00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,640
with so if you're investigating that

594
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:58,860
malicious story then you better be a

595
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,840
really great journalist to separate the

596
00:26:04,909 --> 00:26:02,700
fact from fiction but if you just put

597
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,919
out the same crap that everybody else is

598
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,720
putting out I don't care beat the

599
00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:08,400
talking points yeah I don't care how

600
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,720
much millions I don't care what you made

601
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,000
the point is you've really ripped people

602
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,200
off you've given people a false story

603
00:26:19,730 --> 00:26:17,520
and therefore who's going to correct

604
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,740
that well I'm proud to say we will have

605
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:21,840
a movie coming out that will correct

606
00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:24,120
this called eupolitics and it will

607
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,360
correct everything I can't wait

608
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:29,039
I've heard a little bit about this from

609
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:31,080
you and one other party or whatever you

610
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,279
know what I'd like to share the

611
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,679
ufolitics name came out of a meeting I

612
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,360
had a discovery with a wonderful

613
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:38,400
executive I like this guy a lot his name

614
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,220
is Andrew and he came up with this kind

615
00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:43,020
of concept in the meeting we had three

616
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:45,240
and a half years ago where I said to him

617
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,980
I think it's all baloney we're gonna get

618
00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:48,480
to the bottom of it you know Andrew

619
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:50,340
we're behind the scenes we know this is

620
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,440
better than anybody and he goes you know

621
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:54,480
Bob this reminds me of a way to do a

622
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:57,299
show about the the politics of UFOs a

623
00:27:00,529 --> 00:26:58,500
little bit like this political show

624
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,539
that's on so and so you really and I

625
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,159
said to myself on the on the plane home

626
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:05,039
from New York to LA I said you politics

627
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:08,940
it's it's eupholatics so so I think what

628
00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:09,900
you're going to meet and you're going to

629
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,700
meet one of the most interesting guys in

630
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,320
this documentary feature for the same

631
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,880
company that's been putting out a lot of

632
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:16,380
these other things you're going to be

633
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:20,159
hearing about the cia's feelings a

634
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:22,200
little bit but more than just the CIA

635
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:23,640
you're going to be hearing about an

636
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:26,580
individual who's been there for 35 years

637
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,460
or more who's into not only he's the

638
00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:31,679
only guy that I know the only CIA

639
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:34,260
scientist who ever briefed the United

640
00:27:38,529 --> 00:27:37,260
States President about UFOs yeah so yeah

641
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:38,539
I don't know if you want

642
00:27:44,169 --> 00:27:40,980
some people are going to be guessing and

643
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:44,179
I know who you're speaking of and

644
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:47,400
there has been rumors of him doing a

645
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:50,580
full-on hour two hour interview for ages

646
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:53,880
and he has been much like Richard Dodie

647
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,520
I would say he has been his name has

648
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,760
been mentioned in so many different UFO

649
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:01,980
stories throughout the years that I for

650
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:04,440
one can't wait to hear what he actually

651
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:07,320
says well I can say to you if people are

652
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,940
already guessing in the UFO field

653
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,440
because you guys that I'm sure your

654
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:12,960
viewers and your listeners are very up

655
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:15,720
to speed on the UFO history so this is

656
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,059
the man that has been thought of of The

657
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:20,159
Keeper of the secrets and he gets a

658
00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:22,200
great chuckle out of this because you

659
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,400
know they say he's an mj-12 guy

660
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,039
the m312 now I don't want to disappoint

661
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:30,720
anybody but this will tell the

662
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,240
aficionados who we're talking about he

663
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:35,580
said to me recently Bob there is no

664
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:44,630
yes but hold on there is indeed a

665
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:45,659
history

666
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:47,460
if you go back to the Cuban Missile

667
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:51,779
Crisis even of a uh photographic

668
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,220
Division if you will that does get into

669
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,559
the truth about things that could be

670
00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:00,419
things on tape video photographs like

671
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,520
UFOs could be so again there is

672
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:05,460
definitely a a hierarchy that's been

673
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:08,640
going on for decades about analyzing

674
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,700
satellite imagery uh you know if you if

675
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,919
a UFO was caught on tape and uh caught

676
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,659
up by a satellite and a need to be

677
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:18,000
looked at there might be some reasons

678
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,460
for these groups to kind of like yeah

679
00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:22,140
gotta analyze it see if it's a threat

680
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,299
right but to say there's like a guy like

681
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,460
at the X-Files you know in that room you

682
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,640
know with the box

683
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,679
I want to believe poster yeah and again

684
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,960
The X-Files are sort of morphed into you

685
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:35,399
know more of people's thinking into like

686
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:36,779
well is that what the government's like

687
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:39,659
the X-Files is a fictional show which by

688
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:41,820
the way for two or three years they

689
00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,620
really tried to stay focused on cases

690
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,720
that were at least in the public lexicon

691
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:48,419
cultural lexicon but now they they went

692
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,039
off into season three and four and five

693
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:52,080
and six or whatever into like Monsters

694
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:54,299
and ooh Booga Booga you know kind of

695
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:55,980
stuff but I'm gonna tell you right now

696
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,020
that the American public and the world

697
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:00,240
deserves a lot better treatment than

698
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:04,140
we've been given by producers that have

699
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,700
not approached it in journalistic

700
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:07,919
fashion there needs to be journalism

701
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,500
there needs to be actual work I'm

702
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,120
working with a fabulous guy you know

703
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:14,640
Manny this guy Manny by the way I want

704
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,000
to say something about him area 503 who

705
00:30:23,169 --> 00:30:20,640
know him as area 503 and the producer of

706
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,179
the who's lewd documentary which exactly

707
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,159
incredibly controversial and we uh

708
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:28,020
talked about it here and that turned

709
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:30,779
into a whole thing Bob I got doxed and

710
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,960
threatened let me ask you this Steve why

711
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:36,000
did it take a guy like Manny working

712
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,080
from there's no one else would do it

713
00:30:45,649 --> 00:30:41,600
to do that no one else

714
00:30:48,649 --> 00:30:45,659
what CBS NBC ABC Fox News

715
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,659
and Manny succeeded I think and then he

716
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,399
comes along like you know Don Quixote

717
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:53,220
you know yeah and literally shows them

718
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,059
their job shows them what to do follow

719
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:58,980
the money follow the paper trail

720
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:02,399
unfortunately Steve it requires work it

721
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,100
requires dedication if I see this guy

722
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:07,200
Gotti Schwartz at NBC I'm calling him

723
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:09,740
out right now Gotti shorts

724
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:12,600
who actually does fairly good reports on

725
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,000
other subjects and out of nowhere he

726
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,480
breathlessly covers this new UAP issue I

727
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,580
mean it's almost ludicrous I mean I feel

728
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:22,679
bad you guys should call me on the phone

729
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:24,360
and go Bob looking able to do this many

730
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,419
many years you know work with me tell me

731
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:29,279
what what I need to know because he's

732
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:31,980
out there completely vacuous if he has a

733
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:34,260
production crew behind him of producers

734
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:37,080
which he does he's got an army of them

735
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:38,820
yeah are they doing any work are they

736
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,980
doing any of the work that Manny did I

737
00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:42,240
don't know they're just going to tell

738
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,740
him about the numbers he's oh you're

739
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:46,399
gonna get great numbers on this one boss

740
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:49,940
by the way now you notice New York Times

741
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,399
NBC a little a little uh sheepishly but

742
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,440
they did they're all pushing back now

743
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:57,299
going I guess those are objects the

744
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,799
government knows in those two or three

745
00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:01,080
videos I guess they know what they are

746
00:32:05,210 --> 00:32:03,480
yeah it only took five years for them I

747
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:05,220
guess they're not alien oh my God but

748
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:07,020
you see somebody wrote a paper recently

749
00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:08,340
and I'll tell you more about this later

750
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,960
if you want to know and he wrote

751
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:12,240
something it's a it's a diatribe all

752
00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:13,860
over the place but there's one thing he

753
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:17,520
wrote which is true this has taken the

754
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,460
interest of UFOs down in American

755
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,520
culture there's less interest now than

756
00:32:27,409 --> 00:32:25,320
there was before the article came out in

757
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,419
the New York Times if Leslie Keane or

758
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:29,520
anybody else wants to say well you know

759
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:31,740
it was kind of worth it because even

760
00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:33,240
though we didn't really tell the story

761
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:35,520
properly I'm paraphrasing

762
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:37,500
um you know it got the story of UFOs out

763
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,860
there again what UFOs are out there dude

764
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,480
I've been covering it more than I've got

765
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,700
someone estimated recently that I had a

766
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:47,760
billion views on television not YouTube

767
00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:51,600
whatever on television listen on UFOs

768
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:54,020
caught on tape one and two for

769
00:33:00,889 --> 00:32:57,779
foxy just two million views yeah just

770
00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:00,899
those three shows if you count them it

771
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:03,419
was three create a lot of interest and

772
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:05,220
we did a lot of Journalism on all that

773
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:06,899
and by the way you mentioned in the

774
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:08,580
world's greatest hoaxes secrets finally

775
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:11,520
revealed for Fox we debunked the alien

776
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:14,640
autopsy so Chicago Tribune wrote for me

777
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,580
the truth is out there the goal was we I

778
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,200
told Fox at the very big meeting they

779
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,659
brought up Noah's Ark I said if anyone

780
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:23,399
is going to expose it

781
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,580
it's going to be us we have the story we

782
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,380
know it better than anybody and if we

783
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:30,779
can find the little uh weak aspects of

784
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,480
the story and expose it it'll be us sure

785
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,279
enough ABC News tried they couldn't do

786
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:38,159
anything a year later we came out and

787
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:40,260
they gave us credit a lot of TV a lot of

788
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:42,779
TV pundits and journalism pundits gave

789
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,480
us credit for turning on our own story

790
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,519
and saying look you thought this was

791
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,919
real maybe you did we didn't know now we

792
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,019
know and we broke that uh three years

793
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,419
later so it's not like we sat there and

794
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,220
waited I just couldn't find enough

795
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,159
evidence to go to the public and say aha

796
00:34:02,810 --> 00:34:01,140
it's a fraud the second we had that

797
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,820
evidence we went public and here's the

798
00:34:05,930 --> 00:34:04,440
people and this is a problem I have with

799
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,940
people like George Knapp who's been

800
00:34:10,369 --> 00:34:07,980
selling the Bob Lazar story for 30 years

801
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:10,379
Louie he's not selling it he's reselling

802
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:12,659
it yeah but the point is is like he he

803
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:14,339
doesn't want to talk about all the

804
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,339
evidence that the story is fake or ever

805
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:19,919
give his audience that it's only fair

806
00:34:26,530 --> 00:34:22,260
like I send them stuff and he yelled at

807
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:28,849
when I got to know George early in my

808
00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:30,599
career we were very similar he was

809
00:34:34,730 --> 00:34:32,280
working at a news station I've been in a

810
00:34:37,129 --> 00:34:34,740
news a news a news outfit I worked for

811
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,139
news divisions like Tribune I worked in

812
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:39,240
that same genre or that same you know

813
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:41,760
kind of millu if you will so George was

814
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,419
looking at Russian uh UFO uh research I

815
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:47,280
was very interested in that we shared a

816
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:49,859
lot of evidence when alien autopsy was

817
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,440
made people need to know this we knew it

818
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,020
could be a fraud of course we knew that

819
00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:57,359
it could be discovered as a fraud during

820
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:00,780
our own production so we had a plan if I

821
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,020
discovered any evidence of a of fraud in

822
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,020
this case actual proof of a fraud we

823
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:09,359
were going to go on Channel 11 here in

824
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,579
La KTTV channel 11.

825
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:16,680
two anchors Christine Devine and John

826
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:19,320
beard we were going to literally go

827
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:23,820
National from KTV news in LA with a a

828
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:27,000
breaking special the alien autopsy fraud

829
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:31,020
exposed during our production so anybody

830
00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:33,000
like this one producer on our show I

831
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:35,460
hired as a field producer he had the

832
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,680
audacity with temerity to start telling

833
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:40,140
people years later oh he knew it was a

834
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,520
fraud and fox and I held that

835
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:43,859
information back that is categorically

836
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,859
one thousand percent so far from the

837
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,839
truth this guy should be ashamed of

838
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:51,359
himself he came back he came back from

839
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:52,859
an interview with santilly because I was

840
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:55,980
busy in L.A I admit Ray already I had

841
00:35:58,910 --> 00:35:57,420
already dealt with Ray santilly in

842
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:58,920
England I didn't need to see him again

843
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,740
so I sent a producer out there to

844
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:04,020
England to interview him he came back

845
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,940
with his Pro his issues about raise

846
00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:07,920
honesty and blah blah blah I said to

847
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:09,420
this guy of course we know Ray could be

848
00:36:14,030 --> 00:36:11,579
very very untrustworthy that's not the

849
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,040
point the point is when we know for sure

850
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:16,140
we'll tell the public in the meantime

851
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,900
we'll tell what we know now this guy had

852
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:21,599
the audacity to put on LinkedIn I mean

853
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,599
on LinkedIn on on Wikipedia and Etc you

854
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,700
know that that we knew I in the Fox

855
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,500
network knew it was a fraud that's

856
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:30,359
absurd and this guy should be ashamed of

857
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,520
himself so he was trying to do what

858
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,560
self-grandizing things are you know they

859
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,119
try to make themselves sound more

860
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:38,099
important than they are oh listen I knew

861
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,599
I don't know where that guy is in the

862
00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,760
industry now but he owes me a phone call

863
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,740
and an apology and I will correct it on

864
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:45,599
Wikipedia and I will correct it

865
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,780
everywhere Fox should be commended for

866
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:50,880
having that plan with me it should be

867
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,980
it's very unknown to many people that we

868
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:54,960
had that plan

869
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,380
yeah I I I I never knew that you guys

870
00:37:02,569 --> 00:37:00,960
were ready to to spill the beans on it

871
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:02,579
if it was a new story yeah of course

872
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,740
yeah it would have been a news story and

873
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,540
you know one of the things I'm not going

874
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:07,980
to say who but somebody came for an

875
00:37:10,970 --> 00:37:09,660
interview here and they said something

876
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,980
to me like

877
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,440
you know uh oh I'm telling you Stephen

878
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,839
my story is true and I told him the

879
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,180
truth I said I don't if your story is

880
00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,000
fake

881
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:22,920
I'm still going to get views and then I

882
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,040
will reveal it as fake and we did in

883
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:28,380
time you did took a few months but we

884
00:37:34,010 --> 00:37:31,260
did so you get views on both ends I

885
00:37:35,810 --> 00:37:34,020
think that's a brilliant plan so you did

886
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,820
pretty good Corey good comes along and

887
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,740
by the way I don't know much about the

888
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,660
guy I'll be quite Frank with you because

889
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,280
I did aliens on the moon the Truth

890
00:37:44,770 --> 00:37:43,320
Exposed and millions well he lived on

891
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:44,780
the moon on a secret

892
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:47,400
but then the amenity never went to space

893
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:49,859
ever under the oath in the middle of the

894
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,160
deposition somebody came to me and told

895
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,079
me that well what happened was we were

896
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,119
doing an investigation of the Aguadilla

897
00:38:02,569 --> 00:38:00,300
UFO in Puerto Rico in 2017. so there I

898
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,579
flew there with my team we did a YouTube

899
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,200
Report with a good friend of mine Bill

900
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:06,599
day who has a show called uh real or

901
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:10,079
fake so we literally did a 30-minute

902
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:13,079
episode breaking the Aguadilla UFO story

903
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:15,780
I was going to meet with the FAA people

904
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:18,660
at the Aguadilla airport the FAA people

905
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,060
blocked the actual guy in charge of the

906
00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:22,560
tower that night when the film was shot

907
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:24,839
to not give me an interview there's a

908
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,040
lot of good stuff there we can talk

909
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,200
about but in that court in the course of

910
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,140
doing that uh that investigation I met a

911
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:33,660
guy who did a fabulous analysis of the

912
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:35,940
Aguadilla UFO and by the way if people

913
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,220
don't know that's where the UFO seems to

914
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,560
come out of the water and split into two

915
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:43,440
and these UAP guys tried to glom all

916
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:44,940
over that and claim it was one of their

917
00:38:50,450 --> 00:38:48,000
uaps it's not a UAP

918
00:38:52,430 --> 00:38:50,460
well came out of the water freaked out

919
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,440
the area of Puerto Rico that's all great

920
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:55,440
but the bottom line is I met a guy who

921
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:57,180
told me he did this great analysis of

922
00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,640
the footage and he said to me Bob my

923
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:02,220
group left mufon the reason we left

924
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,099
Buffon is this guy Corey good I'm like

925
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:07,380
uh who's Corey good again I was like I

926
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,660
don't even care who is this guy right he

927
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:11,579
tells me the story I go you mean there's

928
00:39:18,849 --> 00:39:14,339
a guy claiming that he went to the moon

929
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:18,859
as part of some secret space program

930
00:39:25,150 --> 00:39:22,560
Bob it's it's it's the lock the lunar

931
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,160
Operations Command

932
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,320
and that base was built by the Nazis

933
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,720
somehow so this was a group yeah you're

934
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:32,520
right this was a group within mufon as I

935
00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:34,200
found out later what you said there's a

936
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:37,800
group within mufon that left whole like

937
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:41,700
the whole group left the mufan uh uh

938
00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:44,700
group if you will mufon lost some great

939
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:47,640
people because their point was you allow

940
00:39:53,569 --> 00:39:50,460
Corey Goode a guy who made up a

941
00:39:56,089 --> 00:39:53,579
Fantastical story with no proof to

942
00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:56,099
dominate conferences there are

943
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,140
conferences all over this country and I

944
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,180
guess other countries too where Corey

945
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,119
Goode was the main attraction with no

946
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:05,160
evidence at all I mean why would anybody

947
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,060
believe this kakamemi story between you

948
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:11,760
and me if you could prove one scintilla

949
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,460
of that story good luck I found out

950
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:16,440
recently right you told me a deposition

951
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:18,780
over his battle with Gaia and by the way

952
00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,660
Gaia talk about a group with no

953
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:23,579
credentials at all of Journalism well

954
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,260
he's got multiple lawsuits the

955
00:40:29,810 --> 00:40:27,300
deposition we've been dealing with or is

956
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,820
against his former business partner his

957
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:31,980
former Hollywood connection Leon Isaac

958
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:34,079
Kennedy and his former conference

959
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,200
organizer but there's a separate lawsuit

960
00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:39,660
against Gaia TV that alleges a vast

961
00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,660
criminal conspiracy against him and all

962
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:44,700
this stuff and and that one boils down

963
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,619
to him suing his critics who said his

964
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:49,440
story wasn't true and Gaia he grouped

965
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,780
them all together so now he's admit so

966
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,940
here he is now he admitted in a

967
00:40:58,310 --> 00:40:56,160
deposition under oath he was asked if

968
00:41:07,030 --> 00:40:58,320
you went to space and he went physically

969
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:10,670
within the UFO phenomena okay the Asian

970
00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:12,359
production phenomenon people start to

971
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:13,859
say well it doesn't matter if the person

972
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,420
left I'll say I'll tell you a great

973
00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,460
story there was a story I researched in

974
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:19,800
Unsolved Mysteries uh when I was there

975
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:22,680
the story was that a guy slept with his

976
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,599
wife in his bedroom and there were two

977
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:26,339
great danes that slept with them and I

978
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:27,599
used to have a great day and so I know

979
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:30,960
what they're like I never had one but my

980
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:32,520
Dad's friend did Growing Up and I

981
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,140
remember those things so the story is

982
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:36,060
these two great danes are sleeping by

983
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,760
the bed and this woman claimed she was

984
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:41,339
abducted she came back into the Broom

985
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,060
the dogs never moved her rationale was I

986
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:47,520
never left physically you know what like

987
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:49,560
John Mack says she says he's like it's

988
00:41:52,609 --> 00:41:51,000
like John Mack and other people say you

989
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,619
don't have to leave your physical body

990
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,200
you may actually be leaving your body

991
00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:57,780
having a UFO event and coming back to

992
00:42:01,609 --> 00:42:00,060
your body and I'm scratching my head

993
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:01,619
going wait a minute what about taking

994
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:05,820
sperm what about uh yeah none of this

995
00:42:09,530 --> 00:42:08,460
makes sense fiber children so let me get

996
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:09,540
the straight I was saying to the woman

997
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:11,460
you mean to say you never left

998
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:15,020
physically but you're abducted by aliens

999
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:18,420
what your soul is abducted I I forgot

1000
00:42:23,569 --> 00:42:21,180
about the story completely never touched

1001
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,579
it again and I said to myself is that

1002
00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:25,500
what alien abduction phenomena has now

1003
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,300
created that you don't even need

1004
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:29,760
evidence anymore you need someone to go

1005
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,800
will I address somebody that's one piece

1006
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:34,020
of evidence and that's well no there was

1007
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,300
this change it seems like and Corey

1008
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,880
Goode and David Wilcock ushered in this

1009
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:39,839
change

1010
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:42,359
and it used to be that you needed some

1011
00:42:46,730 --> 00:42:45,180
form of evidence to get popular to tell

1012
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:46,740
your story to get conference work

1013
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,260
whatever you need to provide some kind

1014
00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:52,079
of evidence and whether people produced

1015
00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,940
fake evidence or not a lot of people

1016
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,040
would everybody would produce they'd

1017
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,260
have some kind of evidence something and

1018
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:00,599
Corey Goode and David Wilcox ushered in

1019
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:03,900
this change and after them came

1020
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,819
thousands of people that are just

1021
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,920
telling stories now and they have no

1022
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:10,260
evidence no proof they have excuses for

1023
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:12,980
why they have no evidence no proof yeah

1024
00:43:17,569 --> 00:43:15,540
good and David Wilcox have literally

1025
00:43:19,809 --> 00:43:17,579
made millions of dollars I think that

1026
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:19,819
would be fair to say telling stories

1027
00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:22,020
come from where would that who would be

1028
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,020
paying these millions TV pumped a lot of

1029
00:43:29,329 --> 00:43:27,420
money into these guys originally with

1030
00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:29,339
the television show or streaming show

1031
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,200
called uh Cosmic disclosure and then

1032
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,140
um Gaia TV also bought controlling

1033
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,180
interest or so I'm told in many

1034
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,760
different UFO conferences and would push

1035
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:44,520
their people Their Stars the stars of

1036
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:46,680
their Network would get pushed to go

1037
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,140
into these UFO conventions that they

1038
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,420
either had some business with or

1039
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:53,819
leverage over or bought controlling

1040
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:56,880
interest or even I think they bought in

1041
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,200
other words the money so in other words

1042
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,660
money throwing money at a story or

1043
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:02,880
earning money from a story that might be

1044
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:05,880
complete [\h__\h] and bunk somehow gives

1045
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:07,800
it some level of

1046
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:11,160
credibility in society because money was

1047
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,380
thrown at it or money was made from it

1048
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,079
that somehow gives it I don't believe it

1049
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:18,480
does but that this is what happened that

1050
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,000
I think Corey good was an artificial

1051
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:22,640
construct if he had come along

1052
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,380
independently with this story I I don't

1053
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:27,180
think it would have gotten legs but the

1054
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,099
fact that David Wilcox formerly of

1055
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:31,260
Ancient Aliens was involved we have Jay

1056
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:35,359
Weidner as the producer who by the way

1057
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,480
who who is David Wilcox let me ask this

1058
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:41,040
question well it depends I don't know

1059
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:42,660
anything about the guy depends on when

1060
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:45,240
you ask he is at various times an

1061
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,900
ancient astronaut theorist a psychic a

1062
00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:50,760
Channeler he's channeled the Egyptian

1063
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,460
god Ra he at one point claimed to be

1064
00:44:58,250 --> 00:44:55,460
Edgar Casey

1065
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:58,260
how does this pass the giggle Factor how

1066
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,839
does anybody I don't know when we and

1067
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,060
quite honestly Bob we we have a whole

1068
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,800
series here we call it the Wacky World

1069
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:06,720
of Wilcox and I'll send you just one

1070
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:09,000
video from it and all all we do is take

1071
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:11,640
his talks and cut them up and and make

1072
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,500
it a little funny and it is ridiculous

1073
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:15,480
this guy's talking about bathing in his

1074
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,099
own piss because the Archangel Michael

1075
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:19,680
told him to then he'd get super powers

1076
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:23,460
he's got telekinetic Powers now from

1077
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,760
bathing and piss and but he he rose to

1078
00:45:32,349 --> 00:45:29,280
fame from ancient astronauts he was one

1079
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,359
of the Talking Heads so we go you know

1080
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:35,280
it must be aliens basically you know

1081
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,540
somehow David Childress and and uh uh

1082
00:45:44,809 --> 00:45:42,900
the guy with the hair Giorgio and David

1083
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,819
Wilcock all get together and they do

1084
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,160
history History Channel show Ancient

1085
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:50,339
Aliens and I'm told I'm told by an early

1086
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,500
a person that was an early just

1087
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:55,079
low-level production worker on that that

1088
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,780
when when the ratings came in from the

1089
00:46:02,569 --> 00:46:00,000
first couple of episodes of that History

1090
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,579
Channel had a big meeting and they were

1091
00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:05,520
like we're forget history we're Ancient

1092
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:07,700
Aliens now

1093
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,619
right right when they start the ratings

1094
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,960
the ratings for the original few

1095
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,160
episodes

1096
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:17,280
like it got a hundred times more views

1097
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,780
and viewers than their normal

1098
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,880
programming got so that's what happened

1099
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,440
how much more

1100
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:25,200
over a hundred times more than any of

1101
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:27,660
their regular Real History documentaries

1102
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,400
that could be true because let me give

1103
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:31,560
you well this is what I was told okay

1104
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,480
when your History Channel you're lucky

1105
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:36,000
if you get okay you're lucky if you get

1106
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:38,520
two million to three million people to

1107
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,859
watch a show so what you're describing

1108
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,900
right now yeah I've been rolling the

1109
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:44,520
numbers it'll be right so what was

1110
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:47,940
described is they they saw the ratings

1111
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:49,619
and they were like we got to do more

1112
00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:52,200
shows like this and that marked a change

1113
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,300
for but ratings are relative the ratings

1114
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,579
for alien autopsy 15 million people

1115
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,560
world's greatest Oaks is 50 million

1116
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,660
people UFOs caught on tape same level

1117
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:02,700
when you start talking numbers today

1118
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:06,180
you're talking two million people oh I

1119
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:07,980
guess two and a half million people so

1120
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,160
is it worth throwing fact out the door

1121
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,920
and Truth out the door well they sure

1122
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,079
just enough ratings to call yourself a

1123
00:47:20,569 --> 00:47:18,420
channel still existing this is why we

1124
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:20,579
have a dumbing down of our television

1125
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,339
and film products because people decided

1126
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:25,800
you know what we gotta survive any way

1127
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:27,900
we have to survive will survive if we

1128
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:30,480
can put on a fake documentary and call

1129
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,339
it a documentary or some kind of reality

1130
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:35,280
documentary show and get away with it we

1131
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,760
will and they do ah yeah well I I just

1132
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,280
mean especially that the the the the the

1133
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:44,220
numbers sort of Changed History Channel

1134
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:46,380
I remember growing up my father loved

1135
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,700
history and so we had the History

1136
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:50,220
Channel it was always like well-sourced

1137
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,500
well documented well-researched World

1138
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,300
War II documentaries about different

1139
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:57,000
battles and things and I think at that

1140
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:58,980
point they provided a good Public

1141
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,800
Service not just entertainment you know

1142
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:03,780
but at some point we make the switch

1143
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,359
from credible journalism credible

1144
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:09,540
history Research into the Fantastical

1145
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:13,079
world of great ratings and who cares by

1146
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:14,160
the way they're kind of doing a little

1147
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,440
bit like Fox News does during the day

1148
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,140
they try to stay somewhat yeah they

1149
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:21,119
still do yeah but when that when that

1150
00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,220
Prime Time hour comes on

1151
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,619
put on anything it doesn't matter you

1152
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,660
know it doesn't matter what it is

1153
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:29,579
to say what CBS said years ago about the

1154
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,380
Noah's Ark thing but it's just

1155
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,180
entertainment

1156
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:36,000
shocking all responsibility completely

1157
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:38,220
for the content they put out well that's

1158
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:39,780
Corey good thing is interesting because

1159
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:43,319
he for for years now has presented his

1160
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,780
stories as real world physical

1161
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,940
experience why would you believe it to

1162
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:49,740
the best of my knowledge I I don't but

1163
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,500
people have and now under oath he's

1164
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,960
asked are the anchar real which is

1165
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:56,160
supposed to be these inner earth people

1166
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:57,900
he's in contact with and he said no

1167
00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:00,060
they're from you know they're my Spirit

1168
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:02,579
guides from my meditation so they're not

1169
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:05,040
real you know and numerous times during

1170
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:07,020
this deposition the lawyer got him to

1171
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:10,200
admit that oh I dramatize it's based on

1172
00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:11,940
real world experiences and then there's

1173
00:49:18,109 --> 00:49:15,960
dramatization over it and so he's never

1174
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:18,119
been to space how are you a secret space

1175
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:20,940
program Insider that's blowing the

1176
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:23,400
whistle on the secret space program when

1177
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:25,079
you admit under oath you've never been

1178
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,819
to space and I think this is going to be

1179
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,800
problematic for him because now he has

1180
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,900
to choose between he's he's essentially

1181
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,119
saying you know he doesn't care if

1182
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:35,940
people believe them or not now based on

1183
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,280
his deposition but it's like well when

1184
00:49:42,290 --> 00:49:40,260
did you lie did you lie when you were

1185
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,300
under oath or did you lie when you were

1186
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:44,880
on all those UFO shows talking about

1187
00:49:51,730 --> 00:49:46,920
this stuff or when you were standing on

1188
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:51,740
a UFO conference stage getting Applause

1189
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:54,119
I'm gonna just get my light back on

1190
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,500
again I'm gonna tell you one quick thing

1191
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:57,420
I love you to I'm gonna ask you a quick

1192
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,880
thing tell me what you see in this

1193
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:01,619
deposition video because I want to hear

1194
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,740
it I want to get a copy of it sure sure

1195
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,540
absolutely well

1196
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,940
let's see what we what we get is some

1197
00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:11,099
stunning Revelations and remember I'm

1198
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:15,000
still uh digesting through it but these

1199
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:19,020
uh these depositions reveal first of all

1200
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,579
that his uh the the alien species that

1201
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:26,400
he claimed to be in contact with and the

1202
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:29,579
uh inner earth people he claims to be in

1203
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:31,560
contact with all these different stories

1204
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,380
that he was telling us these are these

1205
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:36,180
are real world experience this happened

1206
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,339
to me now he's sort of admitting there

1207
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:40,140
are all works of fiction and I don't

1208
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,180
want to get in legal trouble with this

1209
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:44,339
guy he sues everybody so part of me for

1210
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:47,460
paraphrasing when he said that these are

1211
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,520
his intellectual property and that no

1212
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,800
one else you know and then so the lawyer

1213
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,960
is sort of pressing him like well is

1214
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,119
this is this fictional or you know like

1215
00:51:02,270 --> 00:50:59,760
did you go to space and he says well

1216
00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:02,280
physically not that I'm aware of how

1217
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,500
could anybody

1218
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:05,640
except that as an answer that's the most

1219
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,220
but now he's in a bad situation because

1220
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:10,619
does that mean that every did he just

1221
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,119
make all this up so he would have

1222
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:14,040
intellectual property and something to

1223
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,420
sell or are these real world experiences

1224
00:51:21,170 --> 00:51:19,500
Steve you prove the point we were

1225
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:21,180
talking about earlier not my point our

1226
00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:25,619
point the idea of Truth is gone the only

1227
00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:27,540
way we're ever going to get truth is as

1228
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,660
as producers as creators of content as

1229
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,480
YouTubers as whatever we want to be if

1230
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,940
we are Integrity if we have integrity if

1231
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:38,640
we're integrity and we really want to be

1232
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:41,940
factually fair with people about truth

1233
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:44,579
we won't have this problem but if truth

1234
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,200
has gone out the door people call if

1235
00:51:51,950 --> 00:51:49,140
they post truth world right now where

1236
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:51,960
does it lead where are we headed I asked

1237
00:51:56,329 --> 00:51:53,220
that question rhetorical you're a bright

1238
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,339
Guy where are we headed yeah I think I

1239
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,319
think that at some point the ship has to

1240
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,720
write itself where it sinks that's my

1241
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:02,460
goal now you know my goal for the next

1242
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:05,040
two or three years of the company

1243
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:07,260
I got a struggle with this but everyone

1244
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:09,660
so I think the I named my show True

1245
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,880
Seekers It's a Blessing and others I

1246
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,559
love it because people people hold me

1247
00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:16,020
accountable we had somebody on you know

1248
00:52:19,849 --> 00:52:17,940
we occasionally have somebody on and we

1249
00:52:22,190 --> 00:52:19,859
give them the form and we give them the

1250
00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:22,200
floor and we but then we hard press

1251
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,300
question them about proof and evidence

1252
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:26,520
and and occasionally it doesn't go well

1253
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:29,640
or you know but I my audience holds me

1254
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:32,520
accountable here we should by the way

1255
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,400
back pulls [\h__\h] we keep doing it we

1256
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:37,859
are going to re-establish the fact or

1257
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,200
fiction brand that I started at Fox to

1258
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,000
get a little squirrely at the end when

1259
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:44,460
they decide and give it to another

1260
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,440
producer named Dick Clark God Rest the

1261
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,420
soul I love Dick Clark we all love Dick

1262
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,920
Clark for music history and all that

1263
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:52,020
stuff but I love them for that but not

1264
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,839
so much for his Productions Productions

1265
00:52:59,210 --> 00:52:56,819
besides they need they needed to add

1266
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,220
fact or fiction to a made-up show they

1267
00:53:10,089 --> 00:53:02,160
had called beyond belief so Fox asked me

1268
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,650
the day I agreed to this but I got one

1269
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,880
of my UFO shows to start on as a result

1270
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:17,280
and that's another story someday but we

1271
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,599
don't know if we really really needed

1272
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:20,880
that but they asked for it so I said if

1273
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:24,180
you gave Factor fiction they said you

1274
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,579
could take it back after we're done so

1275
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:28,319
it took many years later but I'm taking

1276
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,500
it back so the new shows are gonna have

1277
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,079
that fact or fiction remind yourself why

1278
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:36,000
you have true Seekers you have true

1279
00:53:40,730 --> 00:53:37,680
Seekers because you want people to know

1280
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,740
that's your goal fact or fiction that's

1281
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:42,720
my goal imagine someone someone calls me

1282
00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:44,700
up and goes you know you don't know the

1283
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:46,500
difference between fact or fiction I

1284
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,119
mean I have to know the difference if

1285
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,680
I'm going to do a show about fact or

1286
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:51,839
fiction right I need to know that I'm

1287
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,020
pursuing fact not fiction that's what

1288
00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:57,540
I'm pursuing so I the idea is if you had

1289
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,180
true Seekers as a name and you decide to

1290
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,980
put shows on that clearly were not about

1291
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:04,859
true seeking you'd have a problem yeah

1292
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,619
yeah but I'm glad for that and I'm glad

1293
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,359
by the way I'm not complaining I'm glad

1294
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,520
when an audience member holds us

1295
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,160
accountable it's a it's some of these

1296
00:54:17,870 --> 00:54:16,380
interviews is like yours is a pleasure

1297
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:17,880
but some of these interviews you know

1298
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,140
with some of these people that are

1299
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,640
making Fantastical claims it's a

1300
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,760
tightrope walk I have to be kind and and

1301
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:26,160
fair to them but I have to push them and

1302
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:27,780
some people occasionally say I didn't

1303
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:29,940
push them enough or I didn't you know I

1304
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:32,460
should have you know did this or did

1305
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,680
that it's it's a tough it's a tough

1306
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,200
tightrope here but uh I'm glad for the

1307
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,540
people holding us accountable and

1308
00:54:44,569 --> 00:54:42,480
imagine this we do have a reputation for

1309
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:44,579
integrity here and for doing the right

1310
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,220
thing and not lying to our audience and

1311
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:49,920
and that makes us a minority in this

1312
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:51,720
whole thing believe it or not because

1313
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:53,940
most people just play the game just play

1314
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:55,020
the game and those are the people

1315
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,000
something else happened too though over

1316
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:58,920
the last few years since this period

1317
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,420
where it was just kind of put into a

1318
00:55:05,329 --> 00:55:03,180
bracket we had Corey good allegedly

1319
00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:05,339
whoever this character is is with Wilcox

1320
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:08,220
pushing it to on Gaia Gaia helped create

1321
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,500
this whole kind of myth and the next

1322
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:12,720
thing you know the uh conferences the

1323
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,059
UFO conferences are losing attendees

1324
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:17,460
they're not coming much at all and then

1325
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:19,800
there's shows on cable as we discussed

1326
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:21,599
that have no interest in telling the

1327
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:23,819
truth or not it's only whatever sells

1328
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:26,579
that's fine okay the problem with that

1329
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,440
now it led to a moment in our history

1330
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:30,960
now where the people that are going to

1331
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,200
be funding these newer documentaries

1332
00:55:37,450 --> 00:55:35,760
coming out through streaming and other

1333
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:37,460
methods through theatrical whatever

1334
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:40,800
those investors are owed the same amount

1335
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,740
of respect that a network that funded

1336
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:45,660
something would have would have deserved

1337
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:48,780
and also the distributor who now is kind

1338
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,099
of sitting there a little bit naked

1339
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:52,559
because they don't know how good a

1340
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,420
product they're getting from the

1341
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:56,579
producers they're dealing with so only

1342
00:55:59,930 --> 00:55:58,380
when they get it out to the public and

1343
00:56:02,990 --> 00:55:59,940
find some reaction

1344
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,000
do they know what kind of quality that

1345
00:56:08,030 --> 00:56:05,940
documentary May or not be so I think we

1346
00:56:09,049 --> 00:56:08,040
owe it as producers first of all to have

1347
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,059
first of all you have to have

1348
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:10,980
credentials you have to have work for

1349
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,020
news organizations you have to be able

1350
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,180
to have accountability one of The

1351
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:17,760
Producers making these kind of direct

1352
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:20,880
streamings really kind of freaked me out

1353
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:23,220
a few weeks ago when he said to me on

1354
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:26,460
the phone Bob I have no one to answer to

1355
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:29,640
I have no bosses I just work on my own

1356
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:33,180
computer I do my own thing really all by

1357
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,240
yourself

1358
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,619
no nothing and by the way what are your

1359
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:39,200
credentials you made a couple of

1360
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,440
documentaries maybe in the last 20 did

1361
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:45,420
you make it for a network did you make

1362
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:47,880
it for an actual business entity or did

1363
00:56:53,150 --> 00:56:50,819
you make it yourself and somehow foist

1364
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,160
it out there somewhere to the public and

1365
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:54,960
you call yourself a documentary maker

1366
00:56:59,690 --> 00:56:57,900
well there's gonna be a lot of um how

1367
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,700
should we put this comparisons coming on

1368
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,099
and years to come and they see what kind

1369
00:57:06,829 --> 00:57:05,220
of work I do versus that and when

1370
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:06,839
someone says to me I don't have a boss

1371
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,000
meaning I can put whatever I want Into

1372
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:11,460
My little show what I make and no one

1373
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:12,780
challenges me

1374
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,900
good luck well I have that situation but

1375
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:18,540
I do have I do have good people around

1376
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,579
me and I have an incredible audience

1377
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,800
that always will keep me honest I'm sure

1378
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:24,660
of it you know well what do you how do

1379
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:26,520
you feel about some later give me a

1380
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,839
feeling about a couple things that have

1381
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,700
come out lately uh there was something

1382
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,460
recently from Brazil there was something

1383
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,380
I mean tell me yeah the the Virginia

1384
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:36,720
case we have covered it and I have a

1385
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:38,339
real problem with James Fox's

1386
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,619
documentary and his coverage of that

1387
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:43,440
case because it was very one-sided he

1388
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:46,800
told all of the you know it must be true

1389
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:49,559
side of it and he left out a lot of the

1390
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:52,380
uh skeptic side and I am aware that that

1391
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:55,020
case has been pretty thoroughly debunked

1392
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:57,180
now more so than I was it is probably

1393
00:58:02,329 --> 00:57:58,380
it's probably one of the most

1394
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:02,339
categorically debunked stories yeah of

1395
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:06,000
Sensational UFO contact with alien

1396
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,160
creatures or things like that and I'm

1397
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:10,319
going to be honest with you I would

1398
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,800
actually like people to look at uh the

1399
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,220
history of every case they look at on

1400
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:19,740
video or on streaming whatever all you

1401
00:58:24,890 --> 00:58:22,319
got to do is go back to the uh research

1402
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:24,900
on the internet and you know you can

1403
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,180
check these cases so even if you found

1404
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:29,339
it intriguing enough to watch it and you

1405
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:30,960
felt it with some you know entertainment

1406
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,680
value it's easy to check the facts easy

1407
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:37,260
yeah I think Anthony regalia isn't it

1408
00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:40,680
right he did a a whole debunk of of the

1409
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,380
whole story Tony Tony Bradley is one of

1410
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:46,260
the top researchers in this field he

1411
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:48,599
approach he approaches the UFO

1412
00:58:52,970 --> 00:58:51,299
phenomenon just like he approaches the

1413
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:52,980
work he does which I understand from

1414
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,619
Tony he literally vets people for

1415
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:58,020
government jobs even Area 51 jobs right

1416
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,960
so he literally is on top of people's uh

1417
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:03,599
background uh facts who they are what's

1418
00:59:09,789 --> 00:59:06,900
going on so in 2012

1419
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,799
he put out a very clear succinct report

1420
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,200
about why that particular case

1421
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:15,960
is laughable and unfortunately it's not

1422
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,720
laughable because unfortunately it

1423
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:21,359
involved possibly a crippled person and

1424
00:59:24,289 --> 00:59:23,460
that crippled person was sort of

1425
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,299
um

1426
00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:26,640
taking advantage of a little bit and if

1427
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:29,480
you follow the story Tony did he also

1428
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,040
pointed out why certain people who were

1429
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,440
thought to be really credible aspects of

1430
00:59:39,069 --> 00:59:37,140
the story denied it completely and said

1431
00:59:42,370 --> 00:59:39,079
it's ridiculous and again

1432
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,380
anecdotal someone saying I saw something

1433
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,359
I saw something especially when the

1434
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:47,760
story is not consistent over the years

1435
00:59:52,490 --> 00:59:49,980
these people's stories have changed

1436
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,500
significantly the the crash site person

1437
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,079
first said

1438
00:59:58,430 --> 00:59:56,640
he arrived and he was there for five

1439
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:58,440
minutes and then the military arrived

1440
01:00:02,690 --> 01:00:00,839
later he said that the military was

1441
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:02,700
there when he got out there there's a

1442
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:05,160
lot of inconsistencies this is a kind of

1443
01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:07,079
a little message to other people even

1444
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,780
Distributors to put stuff out always be

1445
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:11,760
worried when you see a show or a movie

1446
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,680
or anything made like you know into a

1447
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:15,900
documentary where the word allegedly is

1448
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,280
used so often

1449
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,839
you know and that's why in my alien

1450
01:00:26,329 --> 01:00:23,940
autopsy show I heard on the side of

1451
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:26,339
caution him I had Jonathan Frank say

1452
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:28,260
until we know more you must decide

1453
01:00:34,849 --> 01:00:31,559
because we knew we were in a very murky

1454
01:00:38,270 --> 01:00:34,859
yeah that's a bigger tightrope than I'm

1455
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:38,280
used to because yeah so explosive if it

1456
01:00:43,849 --> 01:00:41,640
is true it's explosive it's a hell of a

1457
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,859
fake you know I I have a better question

1458
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:46,079
for people why would you make a

1459
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:48,299
documentary about that case what was it

1460
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,280
about that case that's so in you know

1461
01:00:56,569 --> 01:00:52,799
implored you to do that why would you go

1462
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:56,579
and spend hours and time and energy on

1463
01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,680
that case when you see the three cases

1464
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:59,940
that we're going to make into feature

1465
01:01:07,450 --> 01:01:02,640
documentaries the next year or two These

1466
01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:07,460
Are Juicy with video NASA top experts

1467
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,920
footage Mass sightings wait do you see

1468
01:01:15,069 --> 01:01:12,240
this I'm not going to spoil it if

1469
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,079
tonight but if you want me to come on

1470
01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:17,160
absolutely you're welcome here anytime

1471
01:01:22,549 --> 01:01:20,540
Bob you can pick my new co-hosts

1472
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:22,559
I would love to be with you it's almost

1473
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,119
like a a

1474
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:26,520
the word it's a Mitzvah as we say in the

1475
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:30,180
Jewish religion I would love to uh so

1476
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:31,980
here's the thing my view of the things

1477
01:01:37,069 --> 01:01:34,799
is that we are all evolving in many ways

1478
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:37,079
no Distributors should be held

1479
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:39,119
accountable for anything that came out

1480
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:42,180
so far if it made money and it did well

1481
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:44,040
that's fine that's their job to

1482
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:46,980
distribute get things out to people but

1483
01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:50,640
buyer beware you know sure yeah yeah the

1484
01:01:55,309 --> 01:01:52,740
old expression you know the Caveat

1485
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,319
Emptor uh I had a producer years ago I

1486
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:57,839
considered him one of my mentors he's a

1487
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,799
top producer at CBS News still and he he

1488
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:03,359
coined the phrase we were doing a show

1489
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:05,280
years ago including one about Ronald

1490
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:07,859
Reagan seeing UFOs when he was governor

1491
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:10,380
and Ronald Reagan gave me the thumbs up

1492
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,540
in a facts and said yes I wish you warm

1493
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,760
good wishes and it's true so I showed

1494
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,559
mark this guy's name Mark I showed him

1495
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:18,180
this facts coming in we were working

1496
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:20,819
together years ago Ronald Reagan

1497
01:02:24,530 --> 01:02:22,680
couldn't believe it so Mark is a good

1498
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:24,540
friend of mine and he literally he

1499
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:28,160
coined the phrase he see me coming okay

1500
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,040
caveat mdor buyer beware in Latin so

1501
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,040
Caveat Emptor became kind of My Little

1502
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,680
Secret like a joke with him and me and

1503
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:39,960
uh it's sort of like I know that the

1504
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:42,839
things I cover are way out there but

1505
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:45,900
buyer beware is what I say the viewer

1506
01:02:51,410 --> 01:02:48,599
should always be saying the viewer

1507
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:51,420
should always be saying you know I gotta

1508
01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:53,460
beware it may not be true so you have to

1509
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:55,140
do a really good job for them you've got

1510
01:02:59,089 --> 01:02:56,940
to do everything you can if somebody

1511
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:59,099
wants to point fingers at me and say

1512
01:03:03,470 --> 01:03:01,020
well you shouldn't do alien autopsy

1513
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:03,480
until you know for sure come on every

1514
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:06,000
newspaper magazine before it now shows

1515
01:03:10,250 --> 01:03:07,859
they tell things that happen right away

1516
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:10,260
and then they try to figure it out we

1517
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,180
did a much more responsible job at Fox

1518
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:15,119
than many newspapers do than many and

1519
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:16,859
I'm Proud To This Day That Time Magazine

1520
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:19,020
wrote about my work Chicago Tribune

1521
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:20,819
wrote about my work if they want to take

1522
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:22,980
a shot at me believe me I would have

1523
01:03:26,270 --> 01:03:24,540
taken it and they didn't they they

1524
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,280
recognized that I was in a murky world

1525
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,280
trying my best to cover crazy stuff one

1526
01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,720
of the things I'm most proud of is the

1527
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,579
Chicago is a Time magazine article about

1528
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,799
alien autopsy they said something to be

1529
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:36,000
effective

1530
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,040
a home video

1531
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:41,280
stirs the liveliest debate of any home

1532
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:44,780
movie since it was a brooder film

1533
01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:47,160
the assassination footage because they

1534
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:48,299
were haven't we because people were

1535
01:03:53,870 --> 01:03:51,000
analyzing the footage and going through

1536
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,880
those uh moments pouring over the

1537
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:55,440
footage and that's what we cared about

1538
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:57,480
we cared about say look this is

1539
01:04:03,230 --> 01:03:59,819
incredible footage whoever made it

1540
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,240
should be like giving a you know a major

1541
01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:07,020
thumbs up so if it's fake why was it

1542
01:04:11,690 --> 01:04:09,240
fake is it actually based on something

1543
01:04:13,370 --> 01:04:11,700
real to this day I still do believe it

1544
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:13,380
was based on something

1545
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:14,940
that could well be in the government

1546
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:21,589
I agree with you too and I you know I

1547
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:23,160
certainly I would not be here if I

1548
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:25,079
didn't have a belief that we're not

1549
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:26,940
being told to tell the whole truth and

1550
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:28,559
there's Hidden Mysteries and things like

1551
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:31,020
that I just have a problem with the

1552
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:32,520
people that are willing to live in a

1553
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:34,740
delusional fantasy world and live and

1554
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:38,280
and just believe people and and not you

1555
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:42,480
know uh expect evidence or or proof and

1556
01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,000
it seems like the scale went way out of

1557
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,700
whack for a while yep it used to be much

1558
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:50,160
better I remember it being much better

1559
01:04:54,049 --> 01:04:52,380
in my younger years and then I'm telling

1560
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:54,059
you this Cory good and David Wilcox came

1561
01:04:58,190 --> 01:04:56,040
along and everything became you just

1562
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,200
gotta have a great story and now there

1563
01:05:03,170 --> 01:05:00,480
are hundreds of copycats to that now

1564
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:03,180
secret space program insiders going to

1565
01:05:06,430 --> 01:05:05,339
Mars fighting aliens and all kinds of

1566
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,440
stuff

1567
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:08,880
all people seem to care about in the

1568
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:12,960
last I'll call it decade or so is a good

1569
01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:15,660
story it doesn't matter if it's true or

1570
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:18,599
not when babazar came out in 2000 you

1571
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:20,720
know excuse me in 1980

1572
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:22,680
89.89 right

1573
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:25,040
everybody poured over the evidence

1574
01:05:30,109 --> 01:05:28,140
poured over what he was presenting

1575
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:30,119
everyone gave it a shot

1576
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,280
and very few people could put any

1577
01:05:36,890 --> 01:05:34,559
credibility to it including people that

1578
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:36,900
have really vested interest in proving

1579
01:05:42,049 --> 01:05:39,540
it could be true I never touch it with a

1580
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:42,059
10-foot pole I interviewed George Knapp

1581
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:44,640
in two in 1997 for U of us caught on

1582
01:05:49,309 --> 01:05:46,500
tape number one there's young George

1583
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:49,319
John Bob 2 young George

1584
01:05:55,490 --> 01:05:52,740
bright Bush Gary was never mentioned

1585
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:55,500
Eric where we talked about error 51 he

1586
01:06:00,890 --> 01:05:57,900
never talked about Balthazar everybody

1587
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:00,900
knew how spurious how not credible

1588
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,280
's our story was years later another guy

1589
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:08,040
comes along wants to reinvent the George

1590
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:10,859
Knapp Library get the you know thing

1591
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:13,920
going and good for the distributor good

1592
01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:16,380
people made money whatever it doesn't

1593
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:19,460
make that case any more credible

1594
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,200
particular documentary Bob I have a big

1595
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:23,520
problem with because I was in contact

1596
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:25,380
with the film producer I gave him all

1597
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:28,079
kinds of evidence he did the Lie by

1598
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:30,420
Omission which is I'm going to tell this

1599
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:33,480
story as if it's true and any evidence

1600
01:06:39,289 --> 01:06:36,900
that exists that might prove it's not

1601
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:39,299
true we are just going to leave out we

1602
01:06:42,890 --> 01:06:41,160
are going to and that's done on purpose

1603
01:06:44,809 --> 01:06:42,900
to sell the story well we have to ask

1604
01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:44,819
the public now you see producers like me

1605
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,740
coming from a credible background I'm

1606
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,720
proud to say and have gone through the

1607
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,640
rigors of journalistic ethics and

1608
01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:52,680
journalistic fact checking and having

1609
01:06:58,490 --> 01:06:56,039
networks over me to keep me in line so

1610
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:58,500
to speak yeah I know I know it needs to

1611
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:00,420
be done but the bad news is Steve now

1612
01:07:06,049 --> 01:07:03,720
the investors the public they're the

1613
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:06,059
ones choosing what things get made and

1614
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,339
what things don't get made if it's like

1615
01:07:11,930 --> 01:07:10,559
the old days in the film industry if you

1616
01:07:14,990 --> 01:07:11,940
don't get the money to make it it

1617
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:15,000
doesn't get made so the money and in the

1618
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,619
past a lot of money would come from the

1619
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:19,200
banks and from networks and from those

1620
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:22,020
kind of uh big you know companies now

1621
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:24,180
with the mar the marketing methods we're

1622
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:26,579
describing I have to go out and talk to

1623
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:28,740
individuals and people who invest in

1624
01:07:32,329 --> 01:07:31,140
product like this and tell them the

1625
01:07:34,690 --> 01:07:32,339
difference and make sure they understand

1626
01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:34,700
that if you invest in something

1627
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,839
crowdfunding I mean the idea that

1628
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:38,880
someone runs around telling people that

1629
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:40,500
there's going to be an alien invasion

1630
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:43,200
but it's going to come from UFOs or

1631
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:46,380
verse engineers and go out and get money

1632
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:49,260
from people and crowdfund it half a

1633
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:51,180
million dollars Bob you don't even give

1634
01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:54,059
them a million dollars the model that we

1635
01:07:59,390 --> 01:07:56,520
are looking at trying to change finally

1636
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,400
is that investors get involved with

1637
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:01,319
producers that have credentials like me

1638
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:04,680
they get a percentage of ownership they

1639
01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:06,900
get paid back not only their investment

1640
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,819
very quickly in the process when money

1641
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:10,500
starts coming in from the movie or

1642
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:13,020
documentary but they also get an

1643
01:08:17,090 --> 01:08:15,180
interest payment as well and then they

1644
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:17,100
get to participate in the profits for

1645
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:18,420
years to come

1646
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,520
what is going on with a guy like Steven

1647
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,219
Greer who knows are these people getting

1648
01:08:28,490 --> 01:08:25,859
a hat an ashtray what are they getting

1649
01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:28,500
are they getting a really badly made

1650
01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:30,420
documentary that didn't cost a half a

1651
01:08:34,189 --> 01:08:32,580
million dollars no then we get it then

1652
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:34,199
we get into the the issue of that if you

1653
01:08:38,749 --> 01:08:36,299
do get investment capital from people

1654
01:08:40,910 --> 01:08:38,759
and you put up a documentary that looks

1655
01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:40,920
like a fraction of that's actually on

1656
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:43,739
the screen what is the reason for that

1657
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:46,620
did you this is an issue and see you're

1658
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:48,239
you're a talented and well-known

1659
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:51,600
television producer and I have many

1660
01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:53,100
different times said that some of these

1661
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:55,020
people are crowdfunding a half a million

1662
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,920
dollars

1663
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,799
and then we look at the documentary and

1664
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,719
maybe it's because I do video editing

1665
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,640
and I've always you know from the cheap

1666
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,799
but I know I'm looking at this and I'm

1667
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:07,199
going there's ten or twenty thousand

1668
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,460
dollars here if we want to be real

1669
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,040
generous a hundred if he paid Hollywood

1670
01:09:16,370 --> 01:09:14,040
level people to do the sound and run the

1671
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:16,380
cameras and Union people it's maybe a

1672
01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:18,779
hundred grand what happened to the other

1673
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,140
four hundred thousand dollars

1674
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,000
this is a grift right you would the UFO

1675
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:27,000
field has been invaded by grifters it

1676
01:09:31,130 --> 01:09:29,219
happened with Stephen Greer early he can

1677
01:09:33,789 --> 01:09:31,140
call me anytime and discuss it no

1678
01:09:36,829 --> 01:09:33,799
problem okay

1679
01:09:38,689 --> 01:09:36,839
Stephen Greer your politics we'll get

1680
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,699
into this the new documentary feature

1681
01:09:42,169 --> 01:09:40,560
I'm working on will get into all these

1682
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:42,179
issues we'll get into the issues of

1683
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,339
money where it comes from what ends up

1684
01:09:49,189 --> 01:09:46,799
on screen and what kind of investigative

1685
01:09:51,769 --> 01:09:49,199
prowess do we have what kind of actual

1686
01:09:52,910 --> 01:09:51,779
journalistic Acumen is involved who is

1687
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:52,920
Stephen Greer let me tell you about

1688
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:54,780
Stephen I think I told you before he

1689
01:10:00,050 --> 01:09:56,280
showed up at my office and done so of

1690
01:10:02,090 --> 01:10:00,060
mysteries years ago in 1983 I believe he

1691
01:10:04,189 --> 01:10:02,100
came in on somebody else's meeting he

1692
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:04,199
literally like piggybacked on somebody's

1693
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,020
meeting I expected one individual I see

1694
01:10:11,689 --> 01:10:09,120
two who are you what are you doing here

1695
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:11,699
I'm Stephen Greer and you are exactly

1696
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,860
who why are you here and I don't just

1697
01:10:17,930 --> 01:10:15,120
invite people up to the unsolved

1698
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:17,940
mystery's offices so he's like in my

1699
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:18,960
sitting here by the way there's two

1700
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:20,340
other producers in my office that were

1701
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:22,199
sitting there watching this happen so

1702
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:25,140
Greer goes to me I'm going to become the

1703
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,300
guy in the UFOs I'm going to be leading

1704
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,239
this Revelations about UFOs I said

1705
01:10:35,149 --> 01:10:32,400
didn't you just say you're an EMT worker

1706
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,159
he worked he worked as an emergency guy

1707
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:38,159
he said my goal is to be a UFO

1708
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:40,140
researcher and tell the world the truth

1709
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:41,640
about this stuff and I'm going to make a

1710
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,620
big big Mark in this thing

1711
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:46,560
wonderful but in the meantime get out of

1712
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,000
my office you were not invited into this

1713
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,100
office and please leave and in the

1714
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,560
meantime I stopped him from taking he

1715
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,060
had a tape of a case that we're going to

1716
01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:56,040
tell a movie about it was one of the

1717
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:57,960
biggest cases Unsolved Mysteries has

1718
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:00,780
ever aired on any subject at all it's

1719
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:03,000
called The Guardian UFO or Canadian

1720
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,520
Europe

1721
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:07,140
what'd you say Steve I'm very familiar

1722
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,300
with that one this is a very interesting

1723
01:11:13,070 --> 01:11:11,040
case and the Canadians have completely

1724
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:13,080
blown it they have no idea what's on

1725
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:15,900
their own territory some of the

1726
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:17,640
researchers there are kind of comical to

1727
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:19,800
be quite honest with you Bob Nathan at

1728
01:11:22,970 --> 01:11:21,360
NASA's jet propulsion laboratory

1729
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:22,980
reviewed the tape in a non-official

1730
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:24,840
capacity for Unsolved Mysteries in me

1731
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:27,900
and I also did my own special he said he

1732
01:11:32,270 --> 01:11:30,719
cannot identify the Illumina the

1733
01:11:34,850 --> 01:11:32,280
lighting in other words the actual

1734
01:11:35,689 --> 01:11:34,860
lighting signatures coming off of this

1735
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,699
craft

1736
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,500
he couldn't even imagine how they were

1737
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,140
created by our own technology the

1738
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:41,760
lighting signature the way the

1739
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:44,580
illuminosity of this craft was acting

1740
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:46,500
was not like anything he'd ever seen

1741
01:11:50,270 --> 01:11:48,420
before and he was an optical expert this

1742
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,280
is the guy who invented image processing

1743
01:11:54,110 --> 01:11:52,500
one of the other one of the other

1744
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:54,120
experts is very friendly with the guy

1745
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:56,340
from the CIA I know and he looked at

1746
01:12:00,649 --> 01:11:58,199
this as well and he was an optical

1747
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,659
physicist and he said there's no way it

1748
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:02,880
could be explained other than a dish

1749
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:05,940
shaped craft blinking pulsating over

1750
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:08,280
this lady's field it appears to be a

1751
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,840
little bit above the ground but we

1752
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,760
didn't see it coming and going now the

1753
01:12:15,610 --> 01:12:13,679
question is what else does this case

1754
01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:15,620
kind of bring up government

1755
01:12:21,229 --> 01:12:17,699
intergovernment it brings up so many

1756
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:21,239
things not just now if it's not an alien

1757
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:23,280
ship it's probably some kind of

1758
01:12:28,610 --> 01:12:25,920
governmental test it involves secret

1759
01:12:30,290 --> 01:12:28,620
helicopters flying around it involved a

1760
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:30,300
three-year period it's an amazing story

1761
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,600
so the reason I bring it up is not only

1762
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,040
are we going to make a movie about it

1763
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:36,960
but it's going to to try to show people

1764
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:39,900
the way you analyze a case the way you

1765
01:12:43,550 --> 01:12:42,420
dig into one and that's important and

1766
01:12:44,689 --> 01:12:43,560
then we're going to do two other big

1767
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:44,699
cases we're going to talk about maybe

1768
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:46,020
some other that's interesting though

1769
01:12:50,590 --> 01:12:48,120
about Stephen Greer so he is sort of

1770
01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:50,600
premeditated becoming

1771
01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:53,340
he had a copy of the he had a copy of

1772
01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:56,100
the Guardian tape I we had an exclusive

1773
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,900
arrangement with the ex with the one or

1774
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,280
two researchers that really were

1775
01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:01,199
prominently involved in the revealing of

1776
01:13:05,810 --> 01:13:03,300
this material and we could not figure

1777
01:13:08,689 --> 01:13:05,820
out who got a copy but regardless I said

1778
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,699
to Greer look that is an exclusive tape

1779
01:13:12,530 --> 01:13:10,739
we've already secured the rights to

1780
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:12,540
there's going to be an exclusive

1781
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,520
broadcast coming up by the way when the

1782
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,500
show came on I believe it was the

1783
01:13:21,649 --> 01:13:18,719
highest rated Unsolved Mysteries opening

1784
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,659
ever in there so if you liked our show

1785
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:23,520
you like my work I'm proud to say that

1786
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:26,040
was the highest rated UI I remember that

1787
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:29,580
show specifically and I taped it I taped

1788
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:32,820
it on a VCR while I was brought that's

1789
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:35,520
how long ago it was like yeah things on

1790
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:38,940
a VCR I taped it yeah to give Greer a

1791
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,520
little bit of credit I do want to say he

1792
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:43,560
never did ever show that tape anywhere

1793
01:13:48,910 --> 01:13:46,440
publicly before we had our broadcast he

1794
01:13:51,290 --> 01:13:48,920
I think he honored my threat

1795
01:13:54,530 --> 01:13:51,300
yeah you guys were gonna shoot the balls

1796
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,540
off of themselves

1797
01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:55,920
history there's one learning Michael

1798
01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:57,780
there would have been people all over

1799
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:01,260
him like no one's business now the only

1800
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:02,760
reason again but I bring it up because

1801
01:14:08,209 --> 01:14:06,060
Stephen has the ability I believe

1802
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:08,219
to stop the BS

1803
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:11,100
stop telling people about Carol Roseland

1804
01:14:15,950 --> 01:14:13,620
the fact that she knew veteran van Braun

1805
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:15,960
and Van Braun said something he was a

1806
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,060
freaking Nazi okay let's be clear about

1807
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:20,400
this okay would he lie about something

1808
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:22,860
when I say he was a Nazi meaning he

1809
01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:25,739
previously was in a nasty party okay so

1810
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:27,659
this guy may have helped build rockets

1811
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:30,420
for our government so did Jack Parsons I

1812
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,380
mean there are people in our government

1813
01:14:37,450 --> 01:14:33,840
who built rockets that were kind of nuts

1814
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:37,460
so if you help build our rocket program

1815
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:39,719
that doesn't give you the ability just

1816
01:14:45,110 --> 01:14:42,960
to make up [\h__\h] so if Bruno van Braun

1817
01:14:47,209 --> 01:14:45,120
told her that the assistant you know the

1818
01:14:50,209 --> 01:14:47,219
old story yeah and this is this is a

1819
01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:50,219
second hand hearsay account which is a

1820
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:52,020
corroboration there's no collaboration

1821
01:14:55,490 --> 01:14:53,820
that this ever that he ever said that

1822
01:14:58,010 --> 01:14:55,500
how could that become your platform

1823
01:15:00,290 --> 01:14:58,020
literally your platform when you moved

1824
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:00,300
away from other platforms you were doing

1825
01:15:06,830 --> 01:15:04,140
so people bought in on these subjects

1826
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:06,840
from people that self-made documentaries

1827
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:10,679
with no overseen body above them and you

1828
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:12,060
end up with what you end up with which

1829
01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:15,060
is this kind of like Myriad mixture of

1830
01:15:22,130 --> 01:15:19,500
baloney and half-truth and partial this

1831
01:15:24,649 --> 01:15:22,140
and partial that in a field that is

1832
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:24,659
direly needing some serious

1833
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:27,239
investigation because I do believe we

1834
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:30,540
have evidence of visitation of unknown

1835
01:15:33,890 --> 01:15:32,460
entities here on this planet I do

1836
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:33,900
believe that so you're still a Believer

1837
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:36,179
after all of the fake stuff that you

1838
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,280
have seen through all of the Productions

1839
01:15:41,689 --> 01:15:40,080
and all the hoaxes you're still a

1840
01:15:43,790 --> 01:15:41,699
Believer right you know Stephen I could

1841
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:43,800
show you one video that was in UFOs

1842
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:48,179
caught on tape too and it shows a UFO

1843
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:50,940
doing a right angle turn in space like a

1844
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:54,540
boom boom that we can't do today to this

1845
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,280
day

1846
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,260
I'm sure yeah things like that somewhere

1847
01:16:02,209 --> 01:16:00,000
I'll dig it out yeah things like it was

1848
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:02,219
taken by one of the shuttles it's

1849
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:03,540
clearly something that needs to be

1850
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,820
explained we don't have any technology

1851
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:07,920
that can do that right angle turn in a

1852
01:16:13,729 --> 01:16:11,880
in a nanosecond and going fast speeds so

1853
01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:13,739
we don't have that and when these videos

1854
01:16:18,410 --> 01:16:16,199
were released by ttsa in the New York

1855
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:18,420
Times you would have thought they would

1856
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:21,420
have movement that shows possible

1857
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:23,820
extraterrestrial technology the shame

1858
01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:25,980
individual NASA Bob Nathan he says my

1859
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,679
grandfather of UFO teaching you know he

1860
01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:31,199
said to me years ago Bob give it

1861
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,100
when you see movement in a UFO footage

1862
01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:38,400
video whatever that cannot be explained

1863
01:16:43,250 --> 01:16:41,100
conventionally then you know you've got

1864
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:43,260
something you've got to look at the

1865
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:45,360
movement and the actual technology being

1866
01:16:50,270 --> 01:16:48,659
exhibited if you don't see anything and

1867
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:50,280
it appears to be prosaic it could be

1868
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:53,760
very much explainable it probably is so

1869
01:16:57,229 --> 01:16:55,800
that's it so when these guys like

1870
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,239
Elizondo and other people are running

1871
01:17:03,189 --> 01:16:59,520
around going oh we're going to see many

1872
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:06,050
we never see that oh there's a 27 minute

1873
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:08,580
version of this video where's it at it's

1874
01:17:13,010 --> 01:17:11,219
been years nobody's got it even the New

1875
01:17:14,870 --> 01:17:13,020
York Times I think it's a bluff I think

1876
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:14,880
it's a bluff saying that there's a clear

1877
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:18,420
video of this in HD that's 27. he is a

1878
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,580
complete fraud this is a man who is a

1879
01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:23,520
complete fraud he never worked for

1880
01:17:29,330 --> 01:17:26,460
because atip never existed according to

1881
01:17:32,209 --> 01:17:29,340
Harry Reid and lekowski the people who

1882
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:32,219
who ushered in all this BS okay there

1883
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,739
was no a tip it did not exist it was a

1884
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:35,760
made-up name

1885
01:17:41,149 --> 01:17:38,520
the oswap group was actually put

1886
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:41,159
together to analyze technology that we

1887
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,780
know existed like the Chinese the

1888
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:44,640
Russians what are we going to have in

1889
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:46,800
the future and then they lied to

1890
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,440
Congress literally lied to Congress and

1891
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:51,360
said it was something like that when in

1892
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:52,980
reality it was money going straight to

1893
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,500
Bob Bigelow at Skinwalker Ranch how

1894
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:57,600
could we not as Americans want to get to

1895
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:59,400
the bottom of that [\h__\h] how can we

1896
01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:00,960
not want our money back because what do

1897
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,060
we get stories about werewolves and what

1898
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:05,360
exactly Bob Bigelow

1899
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:07,380
Bigelow should step forward today

1900
01:18:12,410 --> 01:18:10,739
tonight and say whatever Harry Reid said

1901
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:12,420
posthumously in that forward to

1902
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:14,280
lakaski's book about Skinwalker Ranch

1903
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,100
George Knapp was a co-writer I

1904
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,719
understand that George recently came out

1905
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:21,120
I don't I'm not seeing this by the way I

1906
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:23,880
heard he recently came out and said hey

1907
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:25,980
I don't know if it was true or not to

1908
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,830
my lights here are where I live is it

1909
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:32,640
has a timer so I can't shut the timer

1910
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:35,520
off oh I'm sorry about that let's do one

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01:18:39,770 --> 01:18:36,420
more

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01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:39,780
okay all right well uh well uh we are if

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01:18:44,689 --> 01:18:41,820
you're just joining us live we are here

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01:18:48,350 --> 01:18:44,699
with legendary television writer and

1915
01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:48,360
producer Bob kiviat of uh ancient excuse

1916
01:18:54,649 --> 01:18:52,739
me of alien autopsy Fame uh UFO's best

1917
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:54,659
evidence caught on tape one and two and

1918
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,620
many many more uh and we didn't really

1919
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:00,719
listen I'm very I want to tell you the

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01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:03,000
truth I'm very anxious to see all these

1921
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:04,560
new projects that you're working on

1922
01:19:09,130 --> 01:19:07,500
given that I grew up with so many of of

1923
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:09,140
incredible things

1924
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:12,179
a self-serving uh uh question to you

1925
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:15,780
yeah sure sure your your particular

1926
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,020
audience is the audience I relish it's

1927
01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:21,360
the kind of audience that gets wants the

1928
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:24,420
truth whatever that truth is yes I

1929
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:26,340
believe UFOs probably represent

1930
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:28,920
visitation from another

1931
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,800
either Dimension planet or whatever and

1932
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:33,360
that's why I stay focused but that

1933
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:36,480
doesn't mean every UFO that means there

1934
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:37,560
have been

1935
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:41,520
some UFO incidents that have occurred

1936
01:19:47,450 --> 01:19:44,760
that our government is aware of and

1937
01:19:51,229 --> 01:19:47,460
probably involve other worldly

1938
01:19:54,130 --> 01:19:51,239
technology and visitors however the

1939
01:19:57,350 --> 01:19:54,140
amount of those probably are so far

1940
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:57,360
masculine yeah so I'm so minuscule that

1941
01:20:00,890 --> 01:19:59,040
if you wanted to cover it up as an

1942
01:20:03,649 --> 01:20:00,900
overall subject for the next hundred

1943
01:20:04,850 --> 01:20:03,659
years you probably could so people who

1944
01:20:07,310 --> 01:20:04,860
think the government couldn't cover that

1945
01:20:08,750 --> 01:20:07,320
up they're wrong number two look at the

1946
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,760
Manhattan Project number two cover

1947
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:11,400
anything up Bill Clinton you love him or

1948
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,159
not love them after his president said

1949
01:20:19,010 --> 01:20:16,080
he believed there was a government above

1950
01:20:21,470 --> 01:20:19,020
the government he said it now what

1951
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:21,480
reasons does he believe that that's for

1952
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,620
another day

1953
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,480
so the government above the government

1954
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:27,600
whatever that may be like Eisenhower you

1955
01:20:32,030 --> 01:20:29,460
know President Eisenhower the military

1956
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:32,040
industrial complex speech these are

1957
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:35,520
warnings to us as a culture that there

1958
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:38,340
might be something that we are not being

1959
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:41,699
told about our world and where we are in

1960
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:44,699
the universe so if that's the case I ask

1961
01:20:51,050 --> 01:20:47,940
your viewers your listeners recognize

1962
01:20:53,689 --> 01:20:51,060
the change in documentary Making that

1963
01:20:56,510 --> 01:20:53,699
the public has the ability now to

1964
01:20:59,090 --> 01:20:56,520
self-invest in what they want to see

1965
01:21:01,490 --> 01:20:59,100
uh these movies that I'm going to make

1966
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:01,500
they need to be supported by the

1967
01:21:06,530 --> 01:21:03,840
populace because the money has to come

1968
01:21:08,649 --> 01:21:06,540
from investors now the Distributors are

1969
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:08,659
putting up a percentage of these movies

1970
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:12,239
but overall I need to go out to the

1971
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:14,040
investment Community now like I used to

1972
01:21:19,790 --> 01:21:17,340
go to Fox and NBC and USA Network and

1973
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,800
others to ask for that money I have to

1974
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:22,920
go now and ask others in the world who

1975
01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:24,500
are interested it doesn't have to be

1976
01:21:29,689 --> 01:21:27,239
hundred thousand dollars I mean but

1977
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:29,699
again the difference is we'll have an

1978
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:31,560
actual production schedule just like we

1979
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,780
are with the networks we'll be honorable

1980
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,239
to the the investors in every way just

1981
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:38,400
like we would to the network we are

1982
01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:40,980
going to get it completed in a

1983
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:43,140
relatively short amount of time so

1984
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,580
there's no confusion about where the

1985
01:21:49,550 --> 01:21:46,620
money's going it's all going on the

1986
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,560
screen which means we as producers are

1987
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:51,360
using that money to create what you see

1988
01:21:55,610 --> 01:21:53,760
on the screen and we can document that

1989
01:21:58,189 --> 01:21:55,620
it's called the business it has to be

1990
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:58,199
done that way recently from another

1991
01:22:03,410 --> 01:21:59,460
individual

1992
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:03,420
someone told me they took eight years to

1993
01:22:09,179 --> 01:22:15,370
James Fox no no names

1994
01:22:19,209 --> 01:22:17,990
somebody took eight years to make a

1995
01:22:21,530 --> 01:22:19,219
documentary

1996
01:22:24,770 --> 01:22:21,540
okay all right if you took eight years

1997
01:22:28,130 --> 01:22:24,780
to make a documentary were you raising

1998
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,140
money for eight years and that money was

1999
01:22:32,750 --> 01:22:30,719
then used at the very last minute to

2000
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:32,760
make the documentary or were there

2001
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:34,620
people working with you during those

2002
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:37,260
eight years to raise that money and the

2003
01:22:42,590 --> 01:22:39,960
number that I heard that was raised is

2004
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,600
so shocking to what you see that was

2005
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:44,400
created

2006
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,400
your blush is a producer you go

2007
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:49,860
what happened there so I'm not going to

2008
01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:51,000
say because I don't know what happened

2009
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:53,400
there I know one thing when you yeah

2010
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,260
this seems a big problem is there's this

2011
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:57,420
so in other words just for the sake of

2012
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,960
anybody who didn't catch the the grift I

2013
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:03,000
call it a grift these people will

2014
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:05,340
generate huge amounts of money in in

2015
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:08,040
Steven Greer's case we can prove on

2016
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:09,540
paper because they were public

2017
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,900
gofundme's and things that he would

2018
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,880
raise half a million dollars to make a

2019
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,280
documentary and then go take that

2020
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:19,800
documentary to anybody familiar with

2021
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,800
television video documentary production

2022
01:23:27,229 --> 01:23:25,199
and they'll tell you that's not half a

2023
01:23:30,169 --> 01:23:27,239
million dollars on that screen that's a

2024
01:23:32,330 --> 01:23:30,179
tiny portion of it do you know we're

2025
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:32,340
getting rich yeah these people are

2026
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:34,320
getting rich and they're not being

2027
01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:36,900
honest with the public about what the

2028
01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:39,719
what the production actually costs you

2029
01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:41,820
know I joked like I want Stephen Greer

2030
01:23:45,169 --> 01:23:43,860
to give me a spreadsheet of what he

2031
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:45,179
spent a half a million dollars on

2032
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:46,980
because well no one should have to show

2033
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,199
them

2034
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:51,120
no way I don't know if legal I don't

2035
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:55,380
know if legally this new uh new method

2036
01:24:02,630 --> 01:23:58,560
of um creating programming has been

2037
01:24:04,130 --> 01:24:02,640
tested in any way but I wonder how a

2038
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,140
person who invested in something

2039
01:24:10,070 --> 01:24:06,900
especially crowdfunding sees something

2040
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:10,080
that was created and and justifies their

2041
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,360
investment other than they feel anything

2042
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,400
about UFOs is good like Leslie Keane

2043
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:17,040
says anything is out as long as UFOs are

2044
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:18,540
being talked about in the public pushing

2045
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,280
the ball down the field I hear that one

2046
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:21,840
all the time he's still pushing the ball

2047
01:24:26,330 --> 01:24:24,060
down the field for disclosure yeah right

2048
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,340
this this makes a lot of money into his

2049
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:28,320
bank account that's what he's doing you

2050
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,300
know we are competing so let's be clear

2051
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:33,840
I am competing now as a producer the

2052
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:36,540
same way that if a producer at 11AM goes

2053
01:24:41,390 --> 01:24:38,940
to meet with Fox and they want to make a

2054
01:24:43,550 --> 01:24:41,400
movie or documentary about you know a

2055
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:43,560
special or whatever about UFOs or aliens

2056
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:46,020
or mysteries of ghosts or prophecies or

2057
01:24:48,830 --> 01:24:47,340
anything I've ever touched you know in

2058
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:48,840
my work

2059
01:24:53,689 --> 01:24:50,820
they're competing against me

2060
01:24:54,830 --> 01:24:53,699
so the network has to decide who they're

2061
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:54,840
going to choose

2062
01:24:59,390 --> 01:24:57,360
Bob kiviat journalistic credentials

2063
01:25:02,810 --> 01:24:59,400
major magazine articles and Omni

2064
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,820
magazine new trap record of successions

2065
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:04,080
yeah

2066
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:07,260
right exactly or somebody coming in from

2067
01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:08,760
the cooking show

2068
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,440
who wants to make a documentary about

2069
01:25:15,470 --> 01:25:13,140
UFOs who are you going to choose so the

2070
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:15,480
same way that I'm competing there years

2071
01:25:21,470 --> 01:25:18,560
ago I'm competing now with these people

2072
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:21,480
who've got there kind of like in already

2073
01:25:27,530 --> 01:25:24,540
with these distribution methods and I

2074
01:25:29,870 --> 01:25:27,540
have to now compete for those who invest

2075
01:25:32,209 --> 01:25:29,880
in these type of things would you rather

2076
01:25:33,709 --> 01:25:32,219
work with me or would you rather work

2077
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:33,719
with these type of people there's no

2078
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:35,460
other way around it I have to raise

2079
01:25:40,370 --> 01:25:38,460
money to make these movies happen

2080
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:40,380
but the difference between me I think

2081
01:25:44,209 --> 01:25:42,540
and a lot of other people is I have a

2082
01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:44,219
track record of doing things by the book

2083
01:25:49,070 --> 01:25:46,980
and we will do them by the book and if

2084
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:49,080
someone says to me Bob you win a couple

2085
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,780
of thousand over a budget that's nothing

2086
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,040
compared to what we're talking about

2087
01:25:57,229 --> 01:25:55,260
here we're talking about the opposite

2088
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:57,239
we're talking about people

2089
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,440
seemingly taking advantage of a system

2090
01:26:05,450 --> 01:26:04,080
that is really in its infancy and we're

2091
01:26:09,070 --> 01:26:05,460
trying to figure out in other words

2092
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,080
documentary makers having no

2093
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:11,840
controlling overseeing group above them

2094
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:14,880
bringing in documentary content that

2095
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:17,520
hasn't been vetted by anybody else and

2096
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,139
goes right out to the public

2097
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:21,600
there has to be a some sort of a stop

2098
01:26:26,530 --> 01:26:24,120
Gap I believe and so the stop Gap needs

2099
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:26,540
to be credible professional people

2100
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:28,800
providing that documentary content to

2101
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,780
the public and if the people that are

2102
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:32,760
Distributing these things Distributing

2103
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:34,920
them see the difference and still are

2104
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,659
able to get the same value if not more

2105
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:38,820
production and other and and value of

2106
01:26:43,010 --> 01:26:41,520
actual profit I think they'll get

2107
01:26:45,470 --> 01:26:43,020
they'll come around and realize that

2108
01:26:48,050 --> 01:26:45,480
this is not for everybody you can't just

2109
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:48,060
give everybody an opportunity to get out

2110
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:49,739
there and talk about things that are

2111
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,480
very very you know controversial and

2112
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:53,520
well be maybe very important for our

2113
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:54,900
culture what's more important than

2114
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:57,179
whether we're being visited or not

2115
01:27:01,610 --> 01:26:59,400
pretty important right yeah I would

2116
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,620
think so but uh it seems to get lost by

2117
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:03,600
the wayside in our modern world there's

2118
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:06,120
just so much going on well I agree with

2119
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:08,280
you and one thing I wanted to ask you I

2120
01:27:12,290 --> 01:27:10,739
don't know why but there's been a whole

2121
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:12,300
bunch of requests in the live chat

2122
01:27:16,610 --> 01:27:14,400
people want to know what you think about

2123
01:27:22,910 --> 01:27:16,620
Linda Moulton Howe

2124
01:27:27,649 --> 01:27:25,669
she had one amazing moment go ahead I'm

2125
01:27:29,629 --> 01:27:27,659
sorry no she had one she got involved in

2126
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,639
the cater mutilation story

2127
01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:31,679
she helped bring the academy relations

2128
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:33,719
mystery to the public nobody can say

2129
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:36,420
otherwise she did that with alien I

2130
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:37,679
believe it's called alien Harbors or

2131
01:27:42,169 --> 01:27:40,260
something like that and then it's a

2132
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:42,179
strange Harvest right and then she went

2133
01:27:46,669 --> 01:27:44,460
off the rails you know she went off the

2134
01:27:48,770 --> 01:27:46,679
rail she decided that everything is good

2135
01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:48,780
for her in the later part of her life

2136
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:51,239
anyway she decided that she's just going

2137
01:27:56,570 --> 01:27:54,480
to become a uh a uh mouthpiece for uh

2138
01:27:59,149 --> 01:27:56,580
every wild story out there and you know

2139
01:28:01,090 --> 01:27:59,159
you you kind of took it a task and a few

2140
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:01,100
other people have for a fake photo

2141
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,100
clearly made by some artist and I felt

2142
01:28:09,649 --> 01:28:07,679
bad for her when I saw that video I felt

2143
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:09,659
bad for her because things catch up to

2144
01:28:15,770 --> 01:28:13,020
you eventually they catch up and if you

2145
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:15,780
keep putting out bologna you better get

2146
01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:16,800
some bread because they're gonna be

2147
01:28:21,410 --> 01:28:18,679
cutting that sandwich up pretty soon

2148
01:28:23,930 --> 01:28:21,420
that's the best analogy ever I'm

2149
01:28:27,950 --> 01:28:23,940
stealing that you can if you're gonna

2150
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:27,960
put Apollonia yeah you'll be eating it

2151
01:28:31,790 --> 01:28:29,639
soon because people are gonna Dice and

2152
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,800
slice you and they will and I think

2153
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:33,360
that's the one thing if you take on

2154
01:28:39,770 --> 01:28:36,960
controversial subjects like a fake story

2155
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:39,780
in a South American country

2156
01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:42,719
you have to you have to then take the

2157
01:28:47,570 --> 01:28:45,780
barbs that come at you you can't just

2158
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:47,580
walk away from that you have to say Okay

2159
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:51,840
Tony baragle his research in 2012

2160
01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:54,360
should have been mentioned in your movie

2161
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:56,820
if it wasn't going to be fair and

2162
01:29:00,410 --> 01:28:59,100
impartial yeah there's a guy by the way

2163
01:29:03,770 --> 01:29:00,420
I'm going to give a little shout out to

2164
01:29:05,629 --> 01:29:03,780
a guy uh named AJ on the uh on the

2165
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:05,639
YouTube and you can research him you can

2166
01:29:10,090 --> 01:29:07,320
find out who he is

2167
01:29:13,310 --> 01:29:10,100
um he tells a story in YouTube

2168
01:29:15,729 --> 01:29:13,320
all the like you know the woo Factor you

2169
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:15,739
know all The Sensational

2170
01:29:19,129 --> 01:29:18,060
storyline that someone knows about a

2171
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:19,139
story

2172
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,219
and then at the end he goes but

2173
01:29:28,729 --> 01:29:25,440
and then he tries his best to tell you

2174
01:29:31,010 --> 01:29:28,739
what is factually true

2175
01:29:33,530 --> 01:29:31,020
nothing really wrong with that 17

2176
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:33,540
minutes or so you're hearing the you

2177
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:36,360
know yeah the wild woo no supporting

2178
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:38,580
evidence just the story or something but

2179
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:41,460
you know and then he says but and then

2180
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:43,860
he comes in with what appears to be

2181
01:29:47,629 --> 01:29:46,020
I wouldn't go as far as to say debunking

2182
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:47,639
his own story like we did with world's

2183
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:49,560
greatest hoaxes on alien autopsy where

2184
01:29:53,689 --> 01:29:51,840
we actually deconstructed it for the

2185
01:29:56,030 --> 01:29:53,699
viewer but

2186
01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:56,040
he does a degree of that and you have to

2187
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,440
give him credit so I reached out to him

2188
01:30:02,030 --> 01:30:00,480
recently and I say that to him so he

2189
01:30:04,490 --> 01:30:02,040
maybe someone will see featured in this

2190
01:30:06,950 --> 01:30:04,500
documentary and again and again yeah I

2191
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:06,960
was gonna I was gonna say too like I

2192
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:09,480
miss I miss the days where things were

2193
01:30:13,610 --> 01:30:11,400
done I don't want to call it your way

2194
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:13,620
but you were so influential that I think

2195
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,300
a lot of people copied your formula

2196
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:17,760
which would be to present the mystery

2197
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:20,639
and all the reasons it might be true but

2198
01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:22,260
like you were saying this person does

2199
01:30:27,770 --> 01:30:25,739
then bring in the the skeptical side and

2200
01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:27,780
present all the stuff this is all we can

2201
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:30,179
prove is factual it just seems now that

2202
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,639
people they they lied to the audience

2203
01:30:36,290 --> 01:30:35,040
and they massage the data and then they

2204
01:30:37,970 --> 01:30:36,300
say things like well you have to use

2205
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,980
your discernment well that's great but

2206
01:30:42,290 --> 01:30:39,900
you were only giving people after the

2207
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,300
story you're purposefully leaving out

2208
01:30:46,189 --> 01:30:44,639
things that you know you think will help

2209
01:30:47,810 --> 01:30:46,199
sell the story Steve did you ever

2210
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,820
remember what I said about alien autopsy

2211
01:30:50,450 --> 01:30:49,440
the progenitor of some of what you're

2212
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:50,460
saying

2213
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,679
we said until we know more

2214
01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:57,600
you'll have to decide for yourself

2215
01:31:02,149 --> 01:31:00,060
meaningless that's very fair we're gonna

2216
01:31:04,669 --> 01:31:02,159
stay on it we're going to continue

2217
01:31:06,410 --> 01:31:04,679
digging we're going to get to the answer

2218
01:31:08,689 --> 01:31:06,420
and then we finally have enough to show

2219
01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:08,699
you again we'll come back and we'll

2220
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:11,880
further this truth vetting best we can

2221
01:31:16,370 --> 01:31:14,100
it meant something to me when I kept

2222
01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:16,380
saying in the story you know until we

2223
01:31:20,090 --> 01:31:18,360
know more you'll have a decide for

2224
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:20,100
yourself we didn't just say

2225
01:31:24,590 --> 01:31:22,080
you have to decide for yourself

2226
01:31:26,050 --> 01:31:24,600
we said we're going to more or less I

2227
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:26,060
hope it came out that way it should have

2228
01:31:29,870 --> 01:31:28,739
beautifully on it and we'll be on it

2229
01:31:32,330 --> 01:31:29,880
even though we're not even a series

2230
01:31:34,810 --> 01:31:32,340
we're a series of specials you know and

2231
01:31:37,550 --> 01:31:34,820
so I never got my chance to do a series

2232
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:37,560
the way I would do just like I described

2233
01:31:43,010 --> 01:31:40,800
we would follow that same idea we'll

2234
01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:43,020
show you what people claim and then

2235
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:44,340
we're going to show you the truth of the

2236
01:31:49,010 --> 01:31:46,800
damn thing you know and that's a job

2237
01:31:51,770 --> 01:31:49,020
it's hard work you know Steve this is

2238
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,780
not like you know everybody's uh you

2239
01:31:55,310 --> 01:31:53,520
know job this is not the kind of thing

2240
01:31:59,149 --> 01:31:55,320
everyone's gonna do you have to have

2241
01:32:02,030 --> 01:31:59,159
journalistic uh skill Talent uh interest

2242
01:32:03,649 --> 01:32:02,040
you have to have a tenacity you have to

2243
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,659
kind of like say okay I don't care what

2244
01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:05,040
happens as long as we get to the truth

2245
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:07,139
but if you're saying I don't want to

2246
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:08,400
tell the truth because that could blow

2247
01:32:13,390 --> 01:32:11,520
my money for me and that's a lot of what

2248
01:32:16,370 --> 01:32:13,400
this is that's impossible

2249
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:16,380
if we as Americans lived our lives that

2250
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:18,540
way for the last 200 and some odd years

2251
01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:21,120
where will we be if it was only about

2252
01:32:27,530 --> 01:32:24,420
money and forget about truth what it's

2253
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:27,540
nuts I think our last Administration and

2254
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:29,219
the person that was in power regardless

2255
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:31,020
of what you like or not like about this

2256
01:32:35,390 --> 01:32:33,780
guy Trump I grew up in New York I

2257
01:32:37,070 --> 01:32:35,400
watched Donald Trump for years as a kid

2258
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:37,080
read three newspapers a day that would

2259
01:32:42,590 --> 01:32:40,159
trash this guy people don't know

2260
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:42,600
for you to see him win the presidency

2261
01:32:46,810 --> 01:32:44,880
Beyond shocking there are people from

2262
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:46,820
New York

2263
01:32:50,810 --> 01:32:49,860
and by the way our own our own uh

2264
01:32:53,090 --> 01:32:50,820
culture

2265
01:32:55,370 --> 01:32:53,100
some percentage I heard recently of 35

2266
01:32:56,450 --> 01:32:55,380
percent of the country would still vote

2267
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,460
for this guy

2268
01:33:00,830 --> 01:32:58,800
that's the scariest thought I ever heard

2269
01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:00,840
of my life you don't have to believe in

2270
01:33:04,610 --> 01:33:02,880
the impeachments you don't have to

2271
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:04,620
believe that he was responsible for the

2272
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,199
January 6th debacle on Capitol Hill

2273
01:33:11,930 --> 01:33:09,840
just look at him you're going to give

2274
01:33:14,330 --> 01:33:11,940
that guy the keys to our nuclear weapons

2275
01:33:15,410 --> 01:33:14,340
again you're gonna let him carry you'll

2276
01:33:17,450 --> 01:33:15,420
be right next to the football again

2277
01:33:19,129 --> 01:33:17,460
after after almost having our vice

2278
01:33:21,350 --> 01:33:19,139
president murdered by a bunch of crazy

2279
01:33:24,169 --> 01:33:21,360
people following Q Anon

2280
01:33:27,229 --> 01:33:24,179
it's not I tried to get the CBS News

2281
01:33:31,310 --> 01:33:27,239
organization and another organization to

2282
01:33:35,090 --> 01:33:31,320
do a story about Q Anon in 2018 and 19.

2283
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:35,100
warning them warning them that my

2284
01:33:39,950 --> 01:33:37,320
journalistic experience has taught me do

2285
01:33:42,290 --> 01:33:39,960
not underestimate the kind of crazy

2286
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:42,300
theories these people were putting out

2287
01:33:46,370 --> 01:33:44,940
there like adrenochrome

2288
01:33:48,169 --> 01:33:46,380
do you know where adrenochrome comes

2289
01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:48,179
from the idea that I don't know where it

2290
01:33:52,330 --> 01:33:50,460
originated from where did it originate

2291
01:33:56,209 --> 01:33:52,340
originally there's a lot of history

2292
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:56,219
about the New World Order about the

2293
01:34:00,229 --> 01:33:58,620
Illuminati about all this other type

2294
01:34:03,649 --> 01:34:00,239
stuff like Stanley Kubrick wrote about

2295
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:03,659
and did a movie about uh Eyes Wide Shut

2296
01:34:10,669 --> 01:34:06,960
there is a whole history of that that

2297
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:10,679
this group called Q Anon embraced and

2298
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:13,020
usurped and took in from other

2299
01:34:18,649 --> 01:34:15,540
conspiracy theories and I was warning

2300
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:18,659
CBS news that was the problem they were

2301
01:34:22,850 --> 01:34:21,420
kind of co-opping other conspiracy

2302
01:34:25,129 --> 01:34:22,860
theories that millions of people are

2303
01:34:27,290 --> 01:34:25,139
interested in so when they heard these

2304
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:27,300
lines of like adrenochrome the idea that

2305
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,719
you could have how sick is it

2306
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:32,639
the idea that you could

2307
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:36,920
scare or hurt a child and get their

2308
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:41,520
adrenal gland whatever material or

2309
01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:43,199
energy or if you want to go metaphysical

2310
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:46,980
like energy out of those children and

2311
01:34:52,250 --> 01:34:51,000
that is the kind of things nuts and

2312
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:52,260
these are things I guess in the

2313
01:34:57,770 --> 01:34:55,679
Paranormal area or the conspiracy world

2314
01:34:59,870 --> 01:34:57,780
that doesn't make everybody you know

2315
01:35:02,510 --> 01:34:59,880
freak out as much but in the regular

2316
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:02,520
world when the regular people the voters

2317
01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:04,159
of this country

2318
01:35:09,290 --> 01:35:07,260
accepted the person who was kind of like

2319
01:35:12,110 --> 01:35:09,300
you know kind of encouraging that crap

2320
01:35:13,370 --> 01:35:12,120
and vote for that guy then why would I

2321
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:13,380
why would I be shocked when you're

2322
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:15,060
having documentaries made that a bunch

2323
01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:16,860
of baloney even though they're making

2324
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:19,260
maybe millions of dollars

2325
01:35:26,090 --> 01:35:22,920
the money should not justify the value

2326
01:35:28,610 --> 01:35:26,100
of what that is however I'm stuck now

2327
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:28,620
having to say to the people listening

2328
01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:31,080
and watching if you want credible

2329
01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:33,900
documentary program if you want the best

2330
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:36,420
possible programming work with people

2331
01:35:40,189 --> 01:35:38,520
like me and we will bring these things

2332
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:40,199
to the Distributors and they will be

2333
01:35:44,330 --> 01:35:42,060
glad to put them out and we will then

2334
01:35:46,189 --> 01:35:44,340
start a whole new kind of Renaissance of

2335
01:35:47,689 --> 01:35:46,199
documentary Making so unfortunately

2336
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,699
Steve I have to become kind of the

2337
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:49,679
poster child for

2338
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,920
credible journalism and documentary

2339
01:35:57,890 --> 01:35:54,960
supported by the public investing

2340
01:36:00,290 --> 01:35:57,900
that's where we are now yeah well I I

2341
01:36:01,790 --> 01:36:00,300
for one can't wait to see the the new

2342
01:36:03,530 --> 01:36:01,800
projects and I was going to ask you do

2343
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,540
you have a timeline for when some of

2344
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,280
this stuff is going to start coming out

2345
01:36:11,689 --> 01:36:07,679
I'll be as honest as anyone should be

2346
01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:11,699
when we receive the investment capital

2347
01:36:17,570 --> 01:36:14,460
for each of the movies to a level we

2348
01:36:19,490 --> 01:36:17,580
could start principal photography that's

2349
01:36:21,290 --> 01:36:19,500
one quarter of the budget

2350
01:36:23,090 --> 01:36:21,300
Fox would then write a check when you're

2351
01:36:24,350 --> 01:36:23,100
ready for Bob when you're done with your

2352
01:36:27,169 --> 01:36:24,360
principal photographer meaning shooting

2353
01:36:29,209 --> 01:36:27,179
interviews we'll give you the next part

2354
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,219
of the money we're going to put up so

2355
01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:31,199
we're going to do this by the book just

2356
01:36:34,910 --> 01:36:33,120
like every other you know Network I work

2357
01:36:36,530 --> 01:36:34,920
with whatever when we have enough money

2358
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:36,540
to start principal photography we'll

2359
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:38,820
begin that we have enough money to start

2360
01:36:42,590 --> 01:36:40,920
editing we'll begin that when we have

2361
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:42,600
enough money to finish the uh

2362
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:44,580
post-production process

2363
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:48,239
we'll we'll do that so I do not feel

2364
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:49,860
comfortable starting

2365
01:36:53,689 --> 01:36:51,600
without knowing we have the full amount

2366
01:36:55,129 --> 01:36:53,699
at the end oh I understand and do you

2367
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:55,139
have a website or someplace that people

2368
01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:57,360
can find out more about or please share

2369
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,820
your Twitter as well so we'll have all

2370
01:37:04,189 --> 01:37:02,159
that available uh for you to help give

2371
01:37:06,770 --> 01:37:04,199
your viewers and your people probably

2372
01:37:11,169 --> 01:37:06,780
the next two days okay I'll add it to

2373
01:37:16,910 --> 01:37:14,149
I want everyone to know a press release

2374
01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:16,920
is going out in a couple of days we have

2375
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:18,719
just closed the deal as we say

2376
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:20,880
officially with fully executed

2377
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:23,280
agreements and now I can finally talk

2378
01:37:26,990 --> 01:37:25,679
about this app properly so we are

2379
01:37:29,149 --> 01:37:27,000
working with a great company called

2380
01:37:32,209 --> 01:37:29,159
screen media they are going to be

2381
01:37:33,410 --> 01:37:32,219
Distributing these multiple movies uh

2382
01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:33,420
I'm not going to get into which one's

2383
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:35,219
coming out first because again it will

2384
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:38,639
be predicated on the investment Capital

2385
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,520
that we raise we have a budget we know

2386
01:37:45,290 --> 01:37:43,679
what the number is we need to reach that

2387
01:37:48,050 --> 01:37:45,300
number to bring the quality of

2388
01:37:49,850 --> 01:37:48,060
programming or movie making up to at

2389
01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:49,860
least what I did my last one with sci-fi

2390
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:52,860
in 2000 you know 14 15 16 that was

2391
01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:54,900
aliens on the moon the Truth Exposed

2392
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:58,500
anyone could watch that available on a

2393
01:38:01,550 --> 01:38:00,120
few different platforms but you can

2394
01:38:04,669 --> 01:38:01,560
surely see it on something called Shout

2395
01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:04,679
Factory right now.com and you can also

2396
01:38:08,270 --> 01:38:06,300
see it by just putting aliens on the

2397
01:38:09,709 --> 01:38:08,280
moon the Truth Exposed on YouTube and

2398
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:09,719
you can watch it on one of the channels

2399
01:38:14,450 --> 01:38:11,699
there but this is a show that's been on

2400
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:14,460
Netflix for three years that was on uh

2401
01:38:19,010 --> 01:38:16,800
world world networks around the global

2402
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,020
community and people should really see a

2403
01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:21,679
quality programming or quality program

2404
01:38:28,669 --> 01:38:25,860
every single dollar I received literally

2405
01:38:29,770 --> 01:38:28,679
is on that screen and for whatever

2406
01:38:34,189 --> 01:38:29,780
reasons

2407
01:38:36,350 --> 01:38:34,199
so all I could say is I'm proud to say I

2408
01:38:38,990 --> 01:38:36,360
know the ethics involved if you don't

2409
01:38:41,330 --> 01:38:39,000
put on the screen what you were given to

2410
01:38:43,310 --> 01:38:41,340
create that's grift

2411
01:38:46,669 --> 01:38:43,320
and that should not be allowed

2412
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:46,679
yeah yeah I I totally I totally agree

2413
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,300
with you I'm looking forward to seeing

2414
01:38:52,850 --> 01:38:50,400
your new productions I'm hoping that uh

2415
01:38:54,189 --> 01:38:52,860
you'll force a change in this thing like

2416
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,199
we said

2417
01:38:58,790 --> 01:38:56,639
I'll be asked to write itself or it's

2418
01:39:00,590 --> 01:38:58,800
just going to sink Steve I can't survive

2419
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:00,600
I can't survive as an accredited

2420
01:39:04,850 --> 01:39:02,820
journalist doing documentary programming

2421
01:39:06,110 --> 01:39:04,860
for this culture unless people

2422
01:39:07,070 --> 01:39:06,120
understand what we're talking about

2423
01:39:09,709 --> 01:39:07,080
tonight

2424
01:39:13,070 --> 01:39:09,719
the investment Capital that people bring

2425
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:13,080
to these projects also let them become

2426
01:39:17,629 --> 01:39:15,300
partners for years in these projects

2427
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:17,639
imagine you have a chance now to

2428
01:39:23,450 --> 01:39:20,340
actually be a profit participant in

2429
01:39:26,030 --> 01:39:23,460
these things and honorably not some

2430
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,040
slippy you know kind of like behind by

2431
01:39:31,310 --> 01:39:29,520
night yeah 5x9 operation actual real

2432
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:31,320
method and by the way I don't know any

2433
01:39:35,149 --> 01:39:32,820
other producer that has come out and

2434
01:39:37,610 --> 01:39:35,159
talked about this so I'm doing it I want

2435
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:37,620
people to understand we should not seed

2436
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,420
this type of country yeah it is very

2437
01:39:43,370 --> 01:39:41,280
brave of you this is normally this is

2438
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:43,380
normally inside baseball talk though you

2439
01:39:48,890 --> 01:39:46,800
better believe it but UFO UFO interested

2440
01:39:51,350 --> 01:39:48,900
people yeah are inside Vapor a baseball

2441
01:39:53,689 --> 01:39:51,360
is exactly what it is because and I love

2442
01:39:56,810 --> 01:39:53,699
baseball so it's a great analogy when

2443
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,820
instead of my my two young boys we love

2444
01:40:02,570 --> 01:40:00,000
the analogy that we're looking at UFOs

2445
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:02,580
have an insular kind of group people had

2446
01:40:06,830 --> 01:40:04,320
an interest in the stuff just like

2447
01:40:08,990 --> 01:40:06,840
baseball when you know the inside track

2448
01:40:10,970 --> 01:40:09,000
when you know what's going on you can

2449
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:10,980
make a difference so people that are

2450
01:40:16,490 --> 01:40:14,280
aware of what I'm saying the Greers

2451
01:40:19,610 --> 01:40:16,500
the people that go I want to weaponize

2452
01:40:20,330 --> 01:40:19,620
my curiosity you know what I mean

2453
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,340
um

2454
01:40:25,129 --> 01:40:23,280
when you were diplomatic of you look I'm

2455
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:25,139
telling you there are reasons one day

2456
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:26,639
Steve and I hope down the road I can

2457
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:29,699
really let my hair down and really tell

2458
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,800
you why I'm being diplomatic

2459
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:34,560
one side one side of me wants to be

2460
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:35,699
scathing

2461
01:40:41,689 --> 01:40:38,699
okay but not against the people that put

2462
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:41,699
this out the people that created the

2463
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:44,639
people that act like they're documentary

2464
01:40:50,450 --> 01:40:47,280
makers that talk about their abilities

2465
01:40:53,810 --> 01:40:50,460
and then they do what I could would call

2466
01:40:56,090 --> 01:40:53,820
Bunk okay ridiculous

2467
01:40:58,729 --> 01:40:56,100
um I guess self

2468
01:41:01,010 --> 01:40:58,739
you know their their self

2469
01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:01,020
producing for their own needs and their

2470
01:41:06,110 --> 01:41:04,860
own wishes I see financially as the goal

2471
01:41:07,370 --> 01:41:06,120
and unfortunately that's taking

2472
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:07,380
advantage of people that believe in

2473
01:41:13,250 --> 01:41:10,800
something very ardently and very very uh

2474
01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:13,260
um humanistically and they shouldn't be

2475
01:41:22,129 --> 01:41:20,209
well I I hope you're going to come back

2476
01:41:24,350 --> 01:41:22,139
here when you have your first film out

2477
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:24,360
and debuting and and we'll give it a

2478
01:41:28,850 --> 01:41:26,760
review and uh can I just say one last

2479
01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:28,860
thing for today sure sure absolutely do

2480
01:41:34,370 --> 01:41:31,080
you follow a ticks documentary

2481
01:41:36,649 --> 01:41:34,380
that I plan to put out in 2023

2482
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,659
will rip the cover off the ball he's

2483
01:41:41,209 --> 01:41:38,639
into the baseball analogy we'll rip the

2484
01:41:44,270 --> 01:41:41,219
cover off the ball of all this stuff

2485
01:41:46,729 --> 01:41:44,280
where the elizondos came from where how

2486
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,739
put off came from where people like

2487
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,440
Harry Reid came from initially how they

2488
01:41:54,050 --> 01:41:51,840
were able to get Bob Bigelow what he was

2489
01:41:56,570 --> 01:41:54,060
given and how that was usurp all these

2490
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,580
characters but even more than that we'll

2491
01:42:01,250 --> 01:41:58,560
start getting into the real interesting

2492
01:42:03,229 --> 01:42:01,260
cases of UFOs that are away from all

2493
01:42:04,609 --> 01:42:03,239
this nonsense and that's what I'd like

2494
01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:04,619
people to try to think about getting

2495
01:42:09,290 --> 01:42:06,900
involved with me so the easiest way to

2496
01:42:12,530 --> 01:42:09,300
get in touch with me is my email it's

2497
01:42:17,169 --> 01:42:12,540
like my name r for Robert so it's r k i

2498
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:17,179
v i a t at AOL.com again

2499
01:42:26,890 --> 01:42:20,760
r-k-i-v-i-a-t at AOL.com I'm back about

2500
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:29,930
we gotta get you on Gmail I'm on Gmail

2501
01:42:35,810 --> 01:42:33,780
too so Robert yeah balls yeah if you

2502
01:42:39,830 --> 01:42:35,820
like Gmail better Robert kiviat no

2503
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:39,840
punctuation Robert k i v i a t gmail.com

2504
01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:44,400
the reason I keep AOL Steve I have 10

2505
01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:46,980
000 emails I still have an account yeah

2506
01:42:53,209 --> 01:42:49,560
I saw it I am never giving up my archive

2507
01:42:56,649 --> 01:42:53,219
this is an archive to die for if I ever

2508
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:56,659
lost this Archive of emails and

2509
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,040
correspondences and I wouldn't know what

2510
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:01,679
to do with so I'm staying at a prisoner

2511
01:43:10,669 --> 01:43:08,450
one thing about you though I want to say

2512
01:43:12,530 --> 01:43:10,679
something about you oh well the fact

2513
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,540
that Nanny who I'm working very closely

2514
01:43:17,090 --> 01:43:13,679
with

2515
01:43:19,729 --> 01:43:17,100
and the kind of work he does and the

2516
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:19,739
kind of work you're doing here warms my

2517
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:22,679
heart I mean it and it means to me no it

2518
01:43:26,090 --> 01:43:24,060
keeps me going so you talk about me

2519
01:43:28,129 --> 01:43:26,100
having influence on you you're having

2520
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:28,139
influence on me and you're keeping me in

2521
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:29,460
the fight because I'll tell you right

2522
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:31,920
now there are many other easier ways to

2523
01:43:36,350 --> 01:43:34,139
make money there are many other easier

2524
01:43:38,689 --> 01:43:36,360
ways to put your kids through college

2525
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:38,699
and do what I need to do as a as a

2526
01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:40,980
responsible adult you know but when it

2527
01:43:44,510 --> 01:43:42,300
comes to this mystery and other

2528
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:44,520
Mysteries like it

2529
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,920
people deserve the passion and the

2530
01:43:51,950 --> 01:43:49,440
Integrity that I'm trying to give so if

2531
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:51,960
you have any interest today the chain of

2532
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:54,239
documentary Making and how the financial

2533
01:43:58,669 --> 01:43:56,820
facts have changed and you can be a part

2534
01:44:01,070 --> 01:43:58,679
of it even for small amounts of money

2535
01:44:02,930 --> 01:44:01,080
contact me don't give it to the people

2536
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:02,940
that are making

2537
01:44:07,310 --> 01:44:05,520
garbage yeah

2538
01:44:08,689 --> 01:44:07,320
okay Bob well I'm going to throw you out

2539
01:44:11,149 --> 01:44:08,699
of here and you can just close down your

2540
01:44:12,830 --> 01:44:11,159
tab what I when I exit you you are

2541
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,840
always welcome here thank you my

2542
01:44:16,970 --> 01:44:14,159
pleasure Steve we'll keep you posted

2543
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:16,980
please anyone out there contact me we'll

2544
01:44:23,689 --> 01:44:20,400
talk take care all right thanks Bob

2545
01:44:26,810 --> 01:44:23,699
okay wow well what a great uh what a

2546
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:26,820
great night for me uh every time I get

2547
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:29,219
to talk to Bob he helps me to sort of

2548
01:44:33,169 --> 01:44:31,500
relive childhood memories my father and

2549
01:44:35,090 --> 01:44:33,179
I always watched Unsolved Mysteries

2550
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:35,100
together and I remember that specific

2551
01:44:41,629 --> 01:44:38,880
episode with the guardian UFO case my

2552
01:44:44,750 --> 01:44:41,639
father thought it was BS and I believe

2553
01:44:47,450 --> 01:44:44,760
that it was a you know aliens and uh

2554
01:44:49,790 --> 01:44:47,460
yeah and so many amazing projects that

2555
01:44:51,709 --> 01:44:49,800
he's been working on I'm so anxious to

2556
01:44:53,209 --> 01:44:51,719
see these new projects

2557
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,219
um I'm getting to hear a little bit of

2558
01:44:58,729 --> 01:44:55,199
behind the scenes stuff about what's

2559
01:45:01,729 --> 01:44:58,739
going on with that from Manny and him

2560
01:45:03,770 --> 01:45:01,739
um I think that you follow six projects

2561
01:45:06,109 --> 01:45:03,780
especially is going to be eye-opening

2562
01:45:08,270 --> 01:45:06,119
there's going to be some big bombs

2563
01:45:11,689 --> 01:45:08,280
dropping in that thing and I for one

2564
01:45:15,129 --> 01:45:11,699
can't wait to be there when they do

2565
01:45:17,810 --> 01:45:15,139
um just a few things we want to address

2566
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:17,820
for those that are just joining us

2567
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,380
you're watching truth Seekers and

2568
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:21,679
tonight we've interviewed legendary film

2569
01:45:28,609 --> 01:45:25,320
producer and writer Bob kiviat of uh

2570
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,619
alien autopsy Fame and UFO's best

2571
01:45:33,709 --> 01:45:31,679
evidence on tape one and two and many

2572
01:45:36,530 --> 01:45:33,719
other things Unsolved Mysteries

2573
01:45:39,649 --> 01:45:36,540
I know some people may be joining us

2574
01:45:43,129 --> 01:45:39,659
wondering about the good gate story

2575
01:45:47,890 --> 01:45:43,139
that's right we uh hashtag goodgate it's

2576
01:45:52,970 --> 01:45:51,109
g-a-t-e that is the hashtag where you

2577
01:45:55,010 --> 01:45:52,980
can follow that hashtag on Twitter for

2578
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,020
all the latest happenings of this huge

2579
01:45:58,430 --> 01:45:57,360
breaking story good gate

2580
01:46:03,109 --> 01:45:58,440
um

2581
01:46:06,530 --> 01:46:03,119
we uh originally broadcast the

2582
01:46:10,790 --> 01:46:06,540
um an hour or so of the Corey good

2583
01:46:12,830 --> 01:46:10,800
deposition in his lawsuits uh and now

2584
01:46:16,129 --> 01:46:12,840
we're sort of out of

2585
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:16,139
sequence because since then we have been

2586
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:19,080
given access to the entire six hours of

2587
01:46:25,550 --> 01:46:21,000
the quarry Good deposition

2588
01:46:27,890 --> 01:46:25,560
we have broadcast one hour or more which

2589
01:46:30,649 --> 01:46:27,900
would be considered session one or part

2590
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,659
one uh we'll have to figure out a way to

2591
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:32,880
fix this but the the sequence is going

2592
01:46:39,169 --> 01:46:34,920
to be off because what we call part one

2593
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:39,179
of his deposition was really part three

2594
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:41,760
um we are releasing them without

2595
01:46:48,109 --> 01:46:44,880
commentary I think that this

2596
01:46:50,689 --> 01:46:48,119
um is is very very important and it's in

2597
01:46:52,430 --> 01:46:50,699
the Public's best interest to hear these

2598
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:52,440
things that he's saying in this

2599
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,199
deposition especially because the Mr

2600
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:57,360
disclosure Advocate tried to get the

2601
01:47:01,790 --> 01:46:59,040
deposition marked private or

2602
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:01,800
confidential and unable to be shared or

2603
01:47:07,010 --> 01:47:03,960
broadcast as public record of a court

2604
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:07,020
case I think that's wrong we're sharing

2605
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:07,920
it

2606
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:08,580
um

2607
01:47:13,729 --> 01:47:12,000
I did receive some

2608
01:47:17,209 --> 01:47:13,739
you know I don't even want to get into

2609
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:17,219
it read the description of the video for

2610
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:20,760
the deposition part one

2611
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:23,760
um and there you will find

2612
01:47:28,370 --> 01:47:26,159
um that which we've worked as just just

2613
01:47:31,129 --> 01:47:28,380
before broadcast of the of this

2614
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,139
interview today so you can go there and

2615
01:47:36,229 --> 01:47:33,360
read the description uh if you go to Our

2616
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:36,239
Truth Seekers homepage on YouTube just

2617
01:47:40,910 --> 01:47:38,880
uh scroll down to videos and it will be

2618
01:47:43,790 --> 01:47:40,920
the last video we produced Corey good

2619
01:47:45,470 --> 01:47:43,800
deposition session one and in the

2620
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:45,480
description of that video is an

2621
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:49,800
explanation of our uh stance we will not

2622
01:47:56,450 --> 01:47:54,420
be threatened intimidated silenced or we

2623
01:47:59,629 --> 01:47:56,460
will not comply with requests for

2624
01:48:03,109 --> 01:47:59,639
takedowns where not appropriate now this

2625
01:48:05,390 --> 01:48:03,119
gets into some dicey areas uh if they're

2626
01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:05,400
if if we're ordered by the judge

2627
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:09,780
presiding over the case to remove these

2628
01:48:16,129 --> 01:48:12,960
videos we will do so but until such time

2629
01:48:18,169 --> 01:48:16,139
uh I will not be complying with any

2630
01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:18,179
legal threats

2631
01:48:23,090 --> 01:48:20,460
um and I will refuse to comply with any

2632
01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:23,100
demands or attempts to force us to

2633
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:24,900
reveal our sources to take down

2634
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:29,880
broadcasts or reveal uh to them

2635
01:48:34,970 --> 01:48:33,000
any other information I will also refuse

2636
01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:34,980
to comply with any subpoena that they

2637
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:38,280
file regarding this matter and I am

2638
01:48:42,890 --> 01:48:40,739
entitled to do so legally under the

2639
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:42,900
Pennsylvania Shield law and the First

2640
01:48:46,970 --> 01:48:45,480
Amendment reporters privilege laws for

2641
01:48:48,649 --> 01:48:46,980
those unaware I live in the state of

2642
01:48:50,510 --> 01:48:48,659
Pennsylvania that's where my studio is

2643
01:48:52,729 --> 01:48:50,520
that's where my business is that's where

2644
01:48:54,410 --> 01:48:52,739
I live and there's something called the

2645
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:54,420
Pennsylvania Shield law and First

2646
01:49:00,649 --> 01:48:57,840
Amendment reporters privilege law and it

2647
01:49:02,990 --> 01:49:00,659
provides broad protections to reporters

2648
01:49:05,870 --> 01:49:03,000
in Pennsylvania who are subpoenaed for

2649
01:49:08,270 --> 01:49:05,880
their notes documents or testimony and

2650
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,280
that law is an absolute privilege that

2651
01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:11,040
precludes the compelled disclosure of

2652
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:13,500
confidential Source information I

2653
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:15,179
believe that people are trying to get me

2654
01:49:20,090 --> 01:49:18,540
to reveal the source who gave us the the

2655
01:49:23,290 --> 01:49:20,100
deposition tapes

2656
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:23,300
or files in this circumstance

2657
01:49:30,669 --> 01:49:27,420
they are you know telling me to

2658
01:49:34,729 --> 01:49:30,679
they're making all kinds of Demands

2659
01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:34,739
we will not comply I will not comply

2660
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,380
truth Seekers will not comply

2661
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:39,840
and the fact that a disclosure Advocate

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01:49:45,530 --> 01:49:42,000
is issuing

2663
01:49:48,050 --> 01:49:45,540
uh going to these lengths to prevent

2664
01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:48,060
people from hearing his own testimony

2665
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,040
should tell you everything you need to

2666
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:52,560
know about that so-called disclosure

2667
01:49:56,450 --> 01:49:53,760
advocate

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01:49:58,729 --> 01:49:56,460
and uh there's a lot more that I would

2669
01:50:02,689 --> 01:49:58,739
say but

2670
01:50:05,149 --> 01:50:02,699
you know I think it's enough to say that

2671
01:50:08,510 --> 01:50:05,159
we are broadcasting all

2672
01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:08,520
all six hours of that deposition

2673
01:50:13,850 --> 01:50:11,400
and uh we will probably likely do a show

2674
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,860
with commentary and talk about it I will

2675
01:50:19,129 --> 01:50:15,600
be inviting a panel member of people

2676
01:50:21,530 --> 01:50:19,139
familiar with Corey Good's story here

2677
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:21,540
um I'm gonna ask for Eric The Awakening

2678
01:50:26,689 --> 01:50:23,699
man who has followed that story since

2679
01:50:29,090 --> 01:50:26,699
the beginning we will have Kari spooky

2680
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:29,100
here from our show who has of course

2681
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,739
followed Corey good story since the very

2682
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:33,840
beginning 2016 both of these people

2683
01:50:39,709 --> 01:50:37,260
followed this story and a few others who

2684
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,719
have followed his story and we're going

2685
01:50:45,290 --> 01:50:41,760
to talk about the revelations in the

2686
01:50:48,410 --> 01:50:45,300
depositions and for those unaware

2687
01:50:49,729 --> 01:50:48,420
you know I believe it's my belief and I

2688
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:49,739
will freely admit that this is

2689
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,060
speculation

2690
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:53,760
Corey Goode believed that he could say

2691
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,800
all of those things in that deposition

2692
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:58,320
and then his lawyer would get these

2693
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,760
depositions

2694
01:51:03,649 --> 01:51:01,679
termed confidential

2695
01:51:06,590 --> 01:51:03,659
so that people weren't unable to share

2696
01:51:09,290 --> 01:51:06,600
them see them hear them broadcast them

2697
01:51:12,050 --> 01:51:09,300
and due to a mistake on the part of his

2698
01:51:15,229 --> 01:51:12,060
lawyer who apparently did not file the

2699
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:15,239
proper paperwork that was not the case

2700
01:51:19,970 --> 01:51:17,760
uh they are not confidential to the best

2701
01:51:21,229 --> 01:51:19,980
of my knowledge and ability they are not

2702
01:51:23,450 --> 01:51:21,239
confidential

2703
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,460
and we're able to broadcast them but the

2704
01:51:27,169 --> 01:51:25,679
point my point is that Corey good

2705
01:51:31,310 --> 01:51:27,179
he

2706
01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:31,320
those things and make all those stunning

2707
01:51:36,169 --> 01:51:33,420
admissions like when asked if he's ever

2708
01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:36,179
been to space he he said and again I'm

2709
01:51:40,729 --> 01:51:38,040
paraphrasing but he said something to

2710
01:51:42,169 --> 01:51:40,739
the effect of been to space physically I

2711
01:51:45,550 --> 01:51:42,179
don't think so

2712
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:45,560
astrally right uh

2713
01:51:51,229 --> 01:51:48,960
this whole thing seemed to to me

2714
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:51,239
and and I'm the lawyer this is just my

2715
01:51:55,129 --> 01:51:53,040
opinion and my speculation I freely

2716
01:51:57,649 --> 01:51:55,139
admit that it appears to me that Corey

2717
01:51:59,629 --> 01:51:57,659
good thought that he could get away with

2718
01:52:01,189 --> 01:51:59,639
saying all these things and making all

2719
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,199
these stunning admissions like the

2720
01:52:07,310 --> 01:52:03,840
anshar aren't real you know their their

2721
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:07,320
his Spirit guides from his meditation I

2722
01:52:10,729 --> 01:52:09,000
believe that he thought that he could

2723
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:10,739
say all these things in a deposition and

2724
01:52:16,430 --> 01:52:14,040
no one including the public here and

2725
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:16,440
members of the UFO Community disclosure

2726
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:17,760
Community Consciousness Community

2727
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,440
spiritual Community whatever you want to

2728
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:21,360
call this Wacky World I call it

2729
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,300
conspiracy land but I believe Corey good

2730
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,280
thought that he could

2731
01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:29,040
say all those things and then have his

2732
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:32,520
lawyer do some legal you know Maneuvers

2733
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:36,239
and get those depositions private so

2734
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:38,520
that no one would ever hear or see what

2735
01:52:43,609 --> 01:52:40,199
he said there

2736
01:52:45,950 --> 01:52:43,619
and due to again what I can only call a

2737
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:45,960
stunning mistake on the part of his

2738
01:52:50,450 --> 01:52:48,300
lawyer apparently

2739
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,460
um she didn't filed the proper paperwork

2740
01:52:56,810 --> 01:52:53,760
as she was required to do so to get them

2741
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:56,820
put into that status

2742
01:53:03,590 --> 01:53:00,560
um we all get to hear the

2743
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:03,600
stunning admissions of a man who has run

2744
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:05,520
around telling everybody he's a secret

2745
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:09,000
space program Insider for the past seven

2746
01:53:15,290 --> 01:53:12,560
or so years and selling those stories

2747
01:53:17,090 --> 01:53:15,300
monetizing his so-called life story for

2748
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:17,100
profit telling everybody it was a true

2749
01:53:20,209 --> 01:53:18,000
story

2750
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:20,219
he admits under oath have you ever been

2751
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:22,800
to space well known not physically and

2752
01:53:27,649 --> 01:53:25,800
again I'm paraphrasing but and one might

2753
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:27,659
ask themselves then doesn't that bring

2754
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:30,719
into like all kinds of questions like

2755
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,360
what about the people that advertised

2756
01:53:38,450 --> 01:53:36,000
him as being having these Space Battles

2757
01:53:40,490 --> 01:53:38,460
and space experiences and took money

2758
01:53:42,470 --> 01:53:40,500
from people is there going to be any

2759
01:53:46,129 --> 01:53:42,480
culpability for people who help them

2760
01:53:48,109 --> 01:53:46,139
sell what we now know was works or what

2761
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,119
I believe we now know

2762
01:53:52,490 --> 01:53:50,639
was works of fiction

2763
01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:52,500
as true stories

2764
01:53:57,350 --> 01:53:54,179
what about all the people that helped

2765
01:54:00,649 --> 01:53:57,360
them sell that for years including Jimmy

2766
01:54:03,109 --> 01:54:00,659
Church Gaia David Wilcock many others

2767
01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:03,119
all the conference organizers that paid

2768
01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:06,060
him to speak and profit it from his

2769
01:54:09,950 --> 01:54:08,460
apparently fake stories or allegedly

2770
01:54:13,669 --> 01:54:09,960
fake stories

2771
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:13,679
you know this is a whole can of worms

2772
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,040
and um I gotta tell you we're gonna open

2773
01:54:22,669 --> 01:54:19,199
it we're not going anywhere we're going

2774
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,679
to open it so I have an incredible

2775
01:54:27,649 --> 01:54:25,199
amount of work to do tonight we're

2776
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:27,659
trying to get the part two of the

2777
01:54:34,490 --> 01:54:30,239
broadcast of the

2778
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,500
deposition up tonight and uh we're doing

2779
01:54:39,109 --> 01:54:36,719
our very best I want to thank spooky and

2780
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,050
I'm sorry I'm not sure if I uh if the

2781
01:54:47,930 --> 01:54:44,159
other party helping us in this endeavor

2782
01:54:50,330 --> 01:54:47,940
wishes to be identified so I will check

2783
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:50,340
with them before thanking them but let

2784
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:52,500
this serve as a thank you to that person

2785
01:54:57,470 --> 01:54:55,679
I don't want to remember this guy's

2786
01:55:01,370 --> 01:54:57,480
running around suing everybody so people

2787
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:01,380
are understandably uh you know they want

2788
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,119
their identity protected if they are

2789
01:55:08,990 --> 01:55:05,760
helping in our efforts here for real

2790
01:55:11,209 --> 01:55:09,000
transparency hey Mr disclosure Advocate

2791
01:55:13,729 --> 01:55:11,219
all we're doing is broadcasting you

2792
01:55:16,250 --> 01:55:13,739
answering questions and I think that the

2793
01:55:18,890 --> 01:55:16,260
public deserves to know

2794
01:55:21,229 --> 01:55:18,900
um so let the chips fall where they may

2795
01:55:22,850 --> 01:55:21,239
I will not comply that's what I'm going

2796
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:22,860
to say if there's going to be any more

2797
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:26,520
uh these things the Pennsylvania law is

2798
01:55:31,310 --> 01:55:29,280
very clear I'm protected I don't have to

2799
01:55:33,590 --> 01:55:31,320
reveal my sources even under threat of

2800
01:55:36,050 --> 01:55:33,600
subpoena and I feel very strongly that I

2801
01:55:38,270 --> 01:55:36,060
won't so uh they can go on a fishing

2802
01:55:41,390 --> 01:55:38,280
Expedition if they want to

2803
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:41,400
and uh we're gonna get to work on that

2804
01:55:48,290 --> 01:55:44,880
friends and I apologize uh we will do uh

2805
01:55:51,530 --> 01:55:48,300
let me just very quickly that we're not

2806
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,540
even going to play you a single

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commercial we don't really have

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commercials we have one bumper that we

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play to let people know how to support

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support us through the money button down

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we truly appreciate it and I will check

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pledge but I have to remind everybody I

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wasn't able to get your twenty dollars

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Sweet Caroline because you sent it to

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uh or maybe uh I have uh some kind of an

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issue you have to send it to just truth

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then we get it uh but you know these

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things happen not a big deal

2836
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,950
yeah so we're all caught up and what I'm

2837
01:57:11,390 --> 01:57:08,639
going to say is I want to thank each and

2838
01:57:13,850 --> 01:57:11,400
every one of you for joining us I am

2839
01:57:16,850 --> 01:57:13,860
overwhelmed busy trying to get this

2840
01:57:19,129 --> 01:57:16,860
deposition out because uh

2841
01:57:21,470 --> 01:57:19,139
if the legal status of that deposition

2842
01:57:22,910 --> 01:57:21,480
changes before I'm able to broadcast it

2843
01:57:25,790 --> 01:57:22,920
all

2844
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:25,800
um then it's it's problematic we'd like

2845
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:29,040
to broadcast the entire six hours so we

2846
01:57:33,649 --> 01:57:31,679
are all chips in on this one we're all

2847
01:57:35,870 --> 01:57:33,659
hands on deck all of us are working

2848
01:57:38,089 --> 01:57:35,880
furiously to bring it to you and we're

2849
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:38,099
going to bring it to you later tonight

2850
01:57:43,490 --> 01:57:40,800
this evening it might be later uh past

2851
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:43,500
midnight maybe past 1 a.m but there will

2852
01:57:47,689 --> 01:57:45,599
be another release of another hour of

2853
01:57:49,370 --> 01:57:47,699
this stunning deposition you have to

2854
01:57:51,229 --> 01:57:49,380
hear some of this stuff to believe it

2855
01:57:52,430 --> 01:57:51,239
friends and we're going to bring it to

2856
01:57:53,870 --> 01:57:52,440
you

2857
01:57:55,669 --> 01:57:53,880
um so I want to thank each and every one

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of you for joining us I want to thank

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01:58:10,430 --> 01:58:06,719
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2864
01:58:13,010 --> 01:58:10,440
real truth not try to hide it in a in

2865
01:58:15,169 --> 01:58:13,020
you know legal mumbo jumbo we're

2866
01:58:17,450 --> 01:58:15,179
bringing it to you because that's what

2867
01:58:19,850 --> 01:58:17,460
we do here so

2868
01:58:21,709 --> 01:58:19,860
um what else can I say we're going to be

2869
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:21,719
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2880
01:58:48,649 --> 01:58:46,440
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feel that way and I will continue to

2883
01:58:55,129 --> 01:58:52,920
work for uh

2884
01:58:56,930 --> 01:58:55,139
peeling back the layers of deception for

2885
01:58:58,910 --> 01:58:56,940
all of you and showing you the truth

2886
01:59:01,129 --> 01:58:58,920
that's what we do here thank you all for

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your support I want to thank of course

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uh Bob kibiot for being an incredible

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01:59:09,050 --> 01:59:06,179
guest can't wait to have him back

2890
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:09,060
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